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#936 | |
"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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- - (BTW, I really hope you know better than to accuse me of using the 97% figure as evidence of AGW proof. It's evidence about whether the specialists in the field generally accept AGW, not about AGW itself.) Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2011-11-03 at 00:35 |
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#937 | |
"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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- - BTW, have you noticed that no one has ever publicly shown any actual evidence whatsoever of a supposed conspiracy by climatologists to promote the AGW theory in contradiction of evidence? ("Spin" of out-of-context quotations does not constitute evidence.) The Evans 2006 study of downwelling longwave IR from the atmosphere is clinching proof of AGW. I've never seen any anti-AGWer try to refute (or even mention) the Evans 2006 results. And it would be so easy to smash it (_if_ it were fraudulent, that is) -- replicating the measurements would require less than a million dollars worth of commercially-available equipment, easily within the resources of the Koch brothers or any fossil-fuel company, yet no anti-AGWer even suggests this easy basic disproof. Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2011-11-03 at 00:58 |
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#938 |
Dec 2010
Monticello
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The pressure to support it might be more along the lines of whether or not professional respect would be achievable without following evidence to its logical conclusions....
Why don't you point us at Evans, 2006...sounds like very interesting reading. |
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#939 | |
"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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As it happens, A Google search on "Evans 2006" returned this abstract as the first result:
http://ams.confex.com/ams/Annual2006...per_100737.htm (The extended abstract is at ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/100737.pdf) but that wasn't guaranteed -- none of the next 29 (at least) items is relevant. - - - From the abstract: Quote:
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#940 |
Romulan Interpreter
"name field"
Jun 2011
Thailand
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"The earth's climate system is warmed by 35C"
Yarrrr... How much it was the average "before"? Minus 10? I don't remember my grandpa wearing boots and gloves for all the year, including the summer time, even if in my country we had (and still have) terrible winters... |
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#941 | |
"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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... compared to the hypothetical situation in which Earth's atmosphere has no greenhouse gases.
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In this case, "is warmed" was not intended to refer to a comparison of past vs. present or any other time interval. It's not "is warmer than it was ..." or "has warmed during ...". It's referring to the difference between the actual Earth situation and a hypothetical Earth situation in which the atmosphere has no GHGs. - - - BTW, the extended abstract (http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/100737.pdf) doesn't even bother mentioning the 35C figure, I presume because that's a very basic item known to anyone professionally working on GHGs. Perhaps the abstract's first sentence is a quote from the full paper's introduction. Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2011-11-03 at 06:13 |
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#942 | |
Romulan Interpreter
"name field"
Jun 2011
Thailand
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Wanting to emphasize how hot it is, comparing with the rest of the year, local people say: "If you resist here in April, then the rest of the year you will feel cold". But they have no idea that is exactly the situation for me, without any figurative speech. I feel good in April, and a bit cold the rest of the year. Especially now, November being the coldest month, today we had +16C in the morning... :D I can't imagine myself living in a world with zero Celsius average.... I will go home, take the drilling machine and put a hole in my refrigerator's CFC tank, to help the global warming... I assume it has one, but I am not so sure, it is a new one, and these days you can't trust the new refrigerators, they all use substitutes... Last fiddled with by LaurV on 2011-11-03 at 06:43 |
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#943 |
"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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Please, please, don't. :) Think of the poor upper-atmosphere ozone, I beg of you!
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#944 | ||
Bamboozled!
"๐บ๐๐ท๐ท๐ญ"
May 2003
Down not across
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As for the Quote:
Paul Last fiddled with by xilman on 2011-11-03 at 08:59 |
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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"Biggest jump ever seen in global warming gases"
http://news.yahoo.com/biggest-jump-e...183955211.html (Warning: Some sources report amounts of carbon dioxide, but others report the amounts in terms of only the carbon contained in CO2. In the following article, both carbon and carbon dioxide are mentioned (I've boldfaced both), without any warning about confusing one with the other!) Quote:
So, "564 million more tons (512 million metric tons) of carbon" means 2068 million more tons (1877 million metric tons) of carbon dioxide in this context. Quote:
Despite anti-AGWers' accusations of alarmism and exaggeration, real-world measurements continue to show that the effects of AGW are consistently greater than the worst-case projections from the IPCC. Anti-AGWers' preference for believing a fairy-tale rather than reality is condemning their descendants to very uncomfortable climate changes. Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2011-11-03 at 20:31 |
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May 2010
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Also, you can adapt to colder temperatures. In some winters, temperatures would fall below freezing every night for weeks. When the daytime temp finally got to the low 60s (~16C), it felt like a sauna and many people were wearing flip flops and shorts. |
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