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Old 2014-11-12, 15:03   #23
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It's much simpler. The mainlines against sicilian are all giving white GREAT advantage.

g3 basically avoids all that theory, yet for someone like Carlsen who wins games based upon throwing energy at the game, such an inferior line is fine for him.

Anand by now blew his better position and Carlsen plays for a win.

That's why Carlsen keeps playing this.

Objectively it's not really a discussion what's better against Sicilian.

So this has nothing to do whether the game is 1-0 or 1/2.
About Sicilian no one argues even that it's 1-0. Yet it'll be total impossible to objectively win against the 32 piece database with 3.g3 :)

The theoretic discussion will be about e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 what the status is of THAT and 0 other openings.

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Old 2014-11-18, 12:31   #24
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In game 7 I find it a bit surprising that Carlsen dragged the game out as long as he did. His last pawn fell at move 77 leaving a K+R+N vs K+R endgame once he (later) removed Anand's remaining pawns. He didn't concede the draw until move 122. I know that top players play the theoretically drawn K+R+B vs K+R endgame out to the 50-move rule because it's hard to defend accurately, but I thought it was pretty trivially drawn with a knight instead of a bishop (am I wrong?). Was Carlsen seriously still hoping to win in the last 45 moves of this long game? Was it rude to play on as he did? Or was it reasonable "gamesmanship"?
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Old 2014-11-18, 12:43   #25
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After 8 moves it was a drawish position.

Trying to win drawn positions is what modern 'top chess' is doing a lot. Usually it ends in a draw.

Now the 28 piece database or something might disagree there and say it's a win for white - it's possible - yet in todays human top chess Berlin is a draw. Also at FM and IM level it tends to get drawn quite a lot. I was sitting next to a person this Sunday who played it and drew it.

It's a draw and it will remain a draw in human chess.

I hope you don't mind that after Carlsen's second win in this match, i stopped checking the games at end of afternoon. The match is over normal spoken. I only took a look for 20 seconds replaying the start of game, because you posted here. A well known position that Anand and Carlsen know very well and have had on their own board before.

They both know it's a draw.

My advice is to not watch games with openings like this, it's wasting your time.

I saw the current game for 5 seconds. Another line that usually ends in a draw. Though it is open position, so there is more possible if one of players makes mistake.

This match is not worth more of my time than 5 seconds next week somewhere.

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Old 2014-11-18, 13:35   #26
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According to the annotations at chessbase.com, our compatriot world class Grand Master Loek van Wely was much less dismissive about White's winning chances in the "endgame opening" which they played. After White's 33rd move the comment is:
Quote:
A fascinating endgame. I had the pleasure of doing live commentary for this game with super-GM Loek Van Wely, and we both had the feeling there should be a way to crack Black's defense, but we never found one! Somehow Black kept finding interesting resources that just barely drew; most of which involved counterplay and trying to trade off the pawns on the queenside, even at the cost of all of Black's remaining pawns. Nepomniachtchi mentioned in the live broadcast that he thought this should be a draw.
But I don't know what van Wely was saying after Anand's careful defence led to removal of White's last pawn yet Carlsen continued to play on.

Incidentally, I love playing through long endgames where one side has an advantage which they are trying to convert and I think they are very instructional for weak amateurs like me. I note your advice but must record my dissension.
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Old 2014-11-18, 14:09   #27
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commentators talk for their own job, what do you expect a commentator to say?

The truth?

Anand is not trying to win the match after game 6.
He will do maybe silly attempt game 10 or something, like previous match.
So entire matchresult for Anand is based upon doing 1 winning attempt in game 10 or something?
How big are your odds then to win the match?
Nearby 0% of course.

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Old 2016-11-11, 10:26   #28
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Default Chess World Championship Match -- 2013, 2014, 2016

Chess World Championship Match 2016
Magnus Carlsen (Norway) vs Sergey Karjakin (Russia)
is starting today
at New York (USA).

Venue is not home soil of either of the players at all!

Intentionally I do not want to participate in Vote Chess Games or
Game against Stockfish any more.
I have suffered bad luck in my game 1 with at least three times
being banned from mersenne forum due to chess game and also the
game is too slow enough.
I would indeed be interested to participate in correspondence chess
games (what does that actually mean?) if the time limit per move is
not more than 24 hours (maximum of 72 hours) or in individual one to
one chess games.

Intentionally I do not want to bother in Vote Chess Games or
Game against Stockfish any more,
but I would like to ask a few questions:

Is Stockfish 7 a chess engine similarly to that of Komodo 10?

Why would MooMoo2 want to bother spending $10 to the mersenne forum
if the forum guys can win against Stockfish 7, as playing black colour,
especially in a game in which chess engines are used for help?

Why would GD Barnes want to bother spending $60 to get Komodo 10 and
MooMoo2 would give $30 in return if the game can be won by forum guys
as playing black colour?

Dear Chess Players,

Next time the vote chess game of the following chess variants will be
interesting to consider.
  1. Anti Chess (One who loses all pieces first or gets checkmate first is
    winner, capturing is compulsory like in checkers game and there is also
    a four player variant of this anti chess game)
  2. Fischer Random Chess (Modern chess game is heavily dominated by books,
    so play chess 960 and use your own brains for opening. Some variants
    give one side a huge advantage, so two games are needed to be played
    in such cases or choose a configuration in which no starting arrangement
    advantage for either side is actually there)
  3. 10 × 10 chess board. The pieces can be 10 pawns, 2 rooks, 2 knights,
    2 bishops, 2 queens, 1 king and 1 piece which can move like in both a queen
    and a knight (What is this piece which can move like in both a queen and a
    knight called as?) for the either of the two sides like in game played.
    The ranks can be named as 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0.
    The files can be named as a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j.
    We also have got 6 × 6 mini chess board. Or not?
  4. Four or more than two player variant of chess game.

I like Fischer Random Chess also known as Chess 960 the most.
Normal Chess variant is number 518 out of number 960.

(Up words is a variant of scrabble and clue do and scrabble can have
variants with larger sized boards and categories and multiple languages
or mix up of scoring places, dynamic tile distribution and variable face
value even for same letter, variable tile rack per sack, teacher mode, etc.)

Code:
List tag is formatted in post edit window, not door.
And raw text does not appear and to be editable - not suits and applies, not seems and appears.

List tag supports Latin alphabets, numbers, roman numerals,
and not Greek alphabets, cyrillic alphabets at all.

Although to say that is actually wrong.
Latin alphabet had fewer number of alphabets rather than, instead of modern form.

For colour tags, you will have to give double quotes, not single quotes for arguments.
For font size tags, list tags, quote tags, code tags, you need not.

Posting object one time is sufficiently enough.
Although I doubt if whether code tags can support any arguments at all.

Post = Posit? What does it actually mean? What is the difference between these two words?
Lol at frequently often - soften harden roughen smoothen.

Lol = Laughing Out Loud.
As in Yahoo Games.

Yahoo Games style of giving away attendance - with in - with in.
Expand Lol - My Google Account Set Security Question after December 2007 hack.

There exist column width, and not row width to be considering.
I prefer full text rather than instead of abbreviations, acronyms and not expansions.

More to follow.
Very much. Much more.
(Just as an aside, for your information, 1. e4 f6 move is called as Barnes
Defense. It is not an active move, weakens black's kingside to some extent,
and blocks development of black's knight to its most aggressive square
at f6.

In 1858, a T Barnes played this move against the strongest player of the
day, Paul Morphy and won the game. This was one of the few Paul Morphy's
recorded defeats. T Barnes richly deserves to have this opening named
after him.

May be it is eleventh good move as black colour in response to 1. e4 move.
The moves weaker to this are advancing of corner pawns, moving knight to
the edge of the board, advancing of other f and g pawns which will
ultimately weaken black colour's kingside position and moves like 1. e4 b5
or 1. e4 f5 which hang away the b-pawn and f-pawn respectively.

Advancing of corner pawns is too passive for black colour. Moving black
knight to a passive square is not an active play for black colour and black
knight does not participate in the game at all - it would be have got locked
in.)

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Old 2016-11-11, 12:16   #29
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This will be a real match:

Karjakin - Carlsen

I give it 50-50.

www.chessbomb.com is the website most chessplayers follow.

To answer 1 of the questions: Stockfish is a derivative from Glaurung (norwegian engine) and Houdini is the newer version of Rybka.

Both are total different engines.

Stockfish has the smallest amount of knowledge of any top engine. It's purely search only.
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Old 2016-11-11, 17:33   #30
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Unfortunately, the chess games I cannot enjoy because of the fact that the games played away will take place away in to New York, USA when ever I will be falling asleep in to Hyderabad, India.

Similarly in to that of online Scrabble game played in to my own iPad, against a player who lives 12 time zones away - starting and beginning with a one hour time limit game intentionally at the late night of the opponent.

@ diep - glad in to seeing you active after wards two years period of time! So you browse off line - as like increasingly many number of users multiplicatively doing and becoming and using right now by using these days as like today?

@ What does it actually mean? What is the difference between these two words?

@ diep - 50 - 50 chance? One player should be stronger than an other player - in to my own humble opinion! World rank number 1 versus world rank number 9! But types of things have always got some exceptions and are be being unpredictable enough? Both of these two players are be being born in to year of 1990 - defending champion versus challenger.

Age - not me 26 years old - are be being about around is had got about around.

Types of things - in to quote tags and code tags like in to at all away - away!

@ diep - you do not participate in to vote chess game played or game against stockfish 7 chess engine played - not Komodo 10?
I do not participate intentionally as like types of things are be being mentioned above.

Who wants to become a millionaire: Television show - life lines available - subject in to availability cases:
50 - 50, double dip (take two attempts), change question, audience poll, tele phone a friend.

Code:
Accumulate thoughts and strikings and then post away - types of things - in to quote tags and code tags like in to at all away - away!

More to follow. Very much. Much more. More in to follow. Very much. Much more.

No rush - no hurry. No haste - no necessity. Good enough. Interesting enough. Necessary enough. Sufficient enough.

Or not? And avoiding called as, not also known as, key words. Key pads. Or not? Lock holes. And avoiding not?
TV - Television.

Windows text editor word wrap does not preserve in to line breaks and point separators.
Linux and Unix text editor word wrap does support in to line breaks and point separators.

This is a hobby community.
This is a family friendly forum.

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Old 2016-11-26, 13:46   #31
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In case anyone hasn't been paying attention, games 1-7 were all drawn, though with a couple that seemed like they might be wins for good portions of them before one side held.

Game 8 was the first decisive one, with the underdog stunning the champ after the champ passed up a draw before making a critical mistake in the resulting sharp position. Game 9 was a draw, and Game 10 was an equalizer, again with the would-be loser passing up a draw earlier in the match before making mistakes in a sharp end game.
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Wow, tiebreaks incoming!
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Code:
Swiss perfect.
1-0 White's win. ½-½ draw. 0-1 Black's win. 0-0 both players absent. +-- Black player absent. --+ White player absent. Total 1 point per game played.

Earlier, these types of things were being introduced.

0-0 king side castle, 0-0-0 queen side castle, but castling is being questionable in Fischer Random chess variant.
+ check.
# check mate.
× capture.
- non-capture.
ep en passant (optionally).
= pawn promotion.
none two square pawn movement - moment advance.

Chess Notations: Co ordinate, Algebraic, Long Algebraic, Figurine Algebraic, Descriptive, International.

Stalemate should be a draw based upon end game evaluations.
Earlier it was not allowed or skip turn or draw or win or loss or no pawn promotions allowed.

Ways of drawing: Stalemate, Three fold repetition, 50 moves with no progress: capture or pawn advance, Insufficient material, Agreement.
Ways of winning: Checkmate, Opponent resigning, Opponent losing on time.

Exercise.
What is the fastest game to a stalemate?
What is the fastest game to both sides in stalemate?

Stalemate - deadlock.
Chess clocks available at Al Muthu Stores, Ambattur, Chennai - 600 053. Phone Number: +91 94444 03736.

From that clock, there are 34 different time control modes available.
Important modes are being:

Moves per minutes, Minutes per game, Seconds per move, Fischer style, Hourglass seconds, Ply search depth, Infinite time, equal time.

Some of these time controls are being suitable for computer only, some of them are being fit for human beings only.
Moves per minutes is much better than minutes per game. Consider 22 moves in 7 minutes representing π symbol, or 333 moves in 106 minutes, or 355 moves in 113 minutes, although chess games will never last that long unless some one keeps patiently repeating the moves, or pieces move at most 1 or 2 squares at a time as like in Chinese Chess or Shogi. Symbol π day is celebrated upon 3.14 and then 22/7 is being just simply π approximation day. Not n day, as one of my Orkut friends had told me earlier upon.

Chess tournament formats: Round robin, Knockout, Swiss.
As so for Chess Game Played, Scrabble Game Played, Cluedo Game Played, Board Game Played, Card Game Played, Casino Game Played.

Chess Opponents Level Set: Newcomer, Novice, Easy, Light, Moderate, Difficult, Expert, Championship.
Chess Opponents Style Set: Drawmaster, Pawngrabber, Woodpusher, Queentaker, Kamikaze, Defender, Positional, Chessmaster, Material, Pawnmaster, Newcomer, Novice.

Anish Giri - Drawmaster.
Drawmaster = Draw at will at any grand master.

Smile - laugh - grin.
Maheshwari tuition center = Mucku sori tuition center.

Control of center - Mobility - King Safety - Passed Pawns - Pawn Weaknesses.
Own king - opposing king - own queen - opposing queen - own rook - opposing rook - own bishop - opposing bishop - own knight - opposing knight - own pawn - opposing pawn.

Attacker / Defender - Strength of Play - Material / Positional - Randomness of Play - Maximum Search Depth - Selective Search - Contempt for Draw - Transposition Table - Pondering - Use Endgame Databases.
Style - Positional - Material - Information - Winboard.

Fischer Random Chess 960 - Anti Chess - Chess 8 × 8 - Chess 10 × 10.
Standard - Crazyhouse - Fischer Random Chess 960 - King of the hill - Three check - Horde - Anti chess - Racing Kings - Atomic - Mini Chess - Mega Chess - Chinese Chess - Shogi - Further less than 2 players chess variant - Further more than 2 players chess variant.

Aggressive - Defensive - Balanced - Fast - Traders - Tacticians - Positional Play.
Tactics - Strategy.

Piece value: Queen 9, Rook 5, Bishop 3, Knight 3, Pawn 1, King 4.
King cannot be captured, so it has no value traditionally. In end game, it is further more powerful than Bishop or Knight and then further less valuable than Rook, and so is valued of 4.

Point - score.
Bishop 3, Knight 3.

Bishop useful in some positions, Knight useful in some positions.
Bishop useful in open positions, Knight useful in closed positions.

Deci, centi, milli, micro, nano, pico, femto, atto, zepto, yocto.
Deca, hecto, kilo, mega, giga, tera, peta, exa, zetta, yotta.

Pair - 2, dozen - 12, score - 20, gross - 144, fraud - 420 - cheat fraudulent wheat heat ahmed wheel srheat sheart hearts muhammed ram shyam srinivasan srivatsan parthasarathy raman shyaman vandam bajaps arnold pierce brosnan zykes tuch tush everz strikez mand careful careless alert brisk callous.
Pair = 2, Pair + Royal = 6, Double + Royal = 12, Pair + Double = 10, Pair + Double + Royal = 14, Royal = 4, Double = 8, Nothing = 0.

Touch tuch toush tush final finale touche tuche toushe tushe e e e e e o o o o.
Tluchkar - Kanishkar Good win.

Good win - Good will.
Edwin - Edward.

Zizhi - Zhizi - Siri - Hans.
Chush - Chuch - Shush - Shuch.

If someone in a league scores in descending order of points in arithmetic progression, then persons at a specific position have only been defeated by all persons at top of their own position, and they have defeated all persons at bottom of their own position.

Weight - mass.
Weight = mass × Acceleration due to gravity.

W = mg.
Acceleration due to gravity - Gravitational constant.

G - g.
Acceleration due to gravity = Gravitational constant × Mass of Earth ÷ Radius of Earth2.

g = G × Me ÷ Re2.

Old crow drinks unreachable water in a pot by using dropping of rocks. Modern crow drinks unreachable water in a pot by using of straw. So, keep upgrading your skills with advances in technology side.

Rat - mouse.

Rat cover for mouse.

Rat + Cat = 10 kg. Rat + Dog = 20 kg. Cat + Dog = 24 kg. Rat + Cat + Dog = 27 kg. Rat = 3 kg. Cat = 7 kg. Dog = 17 kg. Nothing = 0 kg.

Permutation - Combination.
Probability - Possibility.

Chance - turn - change - modify - insert - remove - edit - delete.
Chance - likelihood - occurrence - distribution - observation - absorption - adsorption.

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Rat - Cat - Trap - Mat - Orphan - Bama Vijayam - Utter Confusion.
Cat - Dog - Egg - Slate - Ballpam - Modhai - Pen - Pencil - Table - Chair - Stool - Flesh - Shelf - Door - Window.

Word Sense Disambiguation.
Sitting Stool. Two toilet stool.

Constipation.
Scientific name for Loose Motion - Diarrhoea - Dysentry - Amoebic Dysentry - Amoebic - Entaemoeba Histolica - Entaemoeba - Histolica.

Longest Word in English language - Electroencephalogram, Quassinassinihilipifilication, Counterrevolutionary, Electro Cardio Gram, EEG, ECG - English language programming distribution package scripting code.
Shortest Word in English language - A, I - English language programming distribution package scripting code.

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Forge signature - sign symbol signal.
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Words building.
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Words ending in Z.
Topaz. Hertz. Buzz. Quiz. Quartz. Fizz. Jazz.

Wims - Www Interactive Multipurpose Server Wfind.
Collins - Enable - Sowpods - Wwf - Ods.

Enable - Enhanced North American Benchmark Lexicon.
Wwf - World Wildlife Fund / Federation.

Www - World Wide Web.
Wfind - Word find.

W H smith - Word smith.
GNU - Gnu is not Unix.

Played and then game match sport logic puzzle tourney tournament.
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Lounge - Library.
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Frequently often earth quake regions - Severe earth quake regions - Moderate earth quake regions - Weak earth quake regions - Sea quake in oceanic regions.
With in and then in to.

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Most easiest language to learn - Esparanto.
Most hardest language to learn - Chinese - Mandarin - Korean - Japanese.

Word starting and then beginning in letter of N - Engine!
Joke!

Just kidding simply!
Wink!

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Further less side ways arithmetic from way side school - Crypt arithmetic.

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Split post.
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Day before yesterday, Carlsen - Karjakin world chess championship match 2016
score was level at 5½ - 5½. The twelfth game ended up in a draw, so it is 6 - 6.
Tie breaks happening tonight - night time in eastern hemisphere and day time in western hemisphere.
I live in India - eastern hemisphere and from Chennai but right now staying in Hyderabad for my job.
In game 12, Carlsen preferred draw because he was world's best rapid chess player and Karjakin
accepted draw because it was better to expect draw as black side colour pieces played game.
As a rule of thumb, in chess - White must play to win and Black must play to draw!
Time control variants of chess - bullet chess, blitz chess, classical chess, correspondence chess.

Tie is different from draw? We call it draw if it has a broad margin, as in chess.
We call it tie if it has a narrow margin, as in cricket.

Word sense disambiguation. Draw is something to sketch a picture.
Tie is something you hang from the neck in the front side center of formal dress wear.
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