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Old 2003-12-07, 17:52   #1
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Default Manual results check-in is temporarily broken

Manual results reporting doesn't work... and the e-mail address for reporting bugs is still an entropia.com address


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PrimeNet Manual Testing Transactions

The name specified is not recognized as an
internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
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Error 03 Results GP2.tmp not found!

Thank you for using GIMPS IPS manual testing forms.

Any transactions shown above are effective immediately.

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If a problem is indicated, and after verifying your account information the problem persists, please contact primenet@entropia.com,or the webmaster at the e-mail address below.
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Old 2003-12-08, 01:38   #2
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It's not broken - it has been turned it off. Mining the server for off-net work or to submit garbage results is not the intended use for these forms. It will be turned on again later.

Last fiddled with by Old man PrimeNet on 2003-12-08 at 01:47
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Old 2003-12-08, 02:41   #3
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Can you elaborate as to its misuse?
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Old 2003-12-08, 03:30   #4
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I tried to re-report the known factor for 10691533... unfortunately, someone is doing an LL test on it.
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Old 2003-12-08, 08:17   #5
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It's not broken - it has been turned it off. Mining the server for off-net work or to submit garbage results is not the intended use for these forms. It will be turned on again later.
How about turning it back on *now*. As a member of LMH I use this regularly to check in *large* results files, of the order of several thousands of lines.

Why? it saves George having to process these files personally.

Quite how this can be used for data mining I'm not sure.

If needs be then only accept results from certain userids.
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Old 2003-12-08, 23:42   #6
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Scott -

I too have used the manual testing page to submit LMH factoring results, and would appreciate a more detailed explanation of how this is being abused, if you feel so inclined.

Pretty please? With a dancing banana on top?
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Old 2003-12-09, 00:03   #7
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Looks like we can't release exponents either. I had been using this to remotely remove P-1 factored exponents from a machine with 4 gigs of ram so it could pickup non-P-1 factored exponents... Complex miss manual forms
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Old 2003-12-09, 08:56   #8
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It's not broken - it has been turned it off. Mining the server for off-net work or to submit garbage results is not the intended use for these forms. It will be turned on again later.
I have a 909kb results file waiting to be checked in.

I'm afraid that until this facility is available again, then both the pc's doing LMH factoring get to be turned off.

Talk about the project shooting itself in the foot.
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Old 2003-12-09, 09:25   #9
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Oi,

The answer, as given, basically says that the function (and server) was was not designed for this type of use.

Maybe we need a feature in V5 that support this. If that is the case, then you must raise that question with the project team.

We, the participants, should not expect that we can do anything we like with the server. It was designed to support certain operations and not others, even though we can do them.

Rather than get annoyed, why don't you ask what the effect your usage has on the server and what effect it has on all other users.

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Old 2003-12-09, 13:27   #10
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Monster -

I do not deny that what you have stated is a valid reason to take down the Manual Testing pages.

However, since none of us believe ourselves to be 'submitting garbage results' and because no one interpreted 'Mining the server for off-net work' as 'submitting results which were not assigned by Primenet', we did not realize we were the responsible parties.

Could you perhaps explain what the server's limitations are in this regard?
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Old 2003-12-09, 14:13   #11
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I did not design this server, but I have designed a few other servers in my time. Based on experience from those, and Scotts comments, I would guess that the server has some limitations in that area. What you see as perfectly reasonable might not be.

To be more specific: With modern day cpus you can manage to do a large amount of work compared to earlier times, you are also, AFAIK, selecting to do specific types of work, again submitting large amounts of "completed" work.

I guess the system was primarily designed to send and receive results from clients, basically small data-units. Suddenly getting large data-units could potentially do harm to the system, or cause bottle-necks or other problems. Maybe the update procedure is not good enough to handle all the triggered updates that your results are generating. Maybe the scanning the system for "suitable" work-units cause problems.

Designing a system you try to take every possibility into account, but you seldom manage to get all of them. That's life. Since Scott has not been more specific about why he has shut down this function, I can only make guesses as to the cause.

Note that I did not claim you were submitting garbage results, but that I guessed that the server was not designed to handle the way you were using it.

It could also be that someone, other than yourself and the others that do specialised work, are not the "guilty" party, but someone else that is doing large scale data-mining.

You will have to wait for Scott to tells us the specific reason for turning off the function.

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