20221205, 03:34  #166 
Sep 2008
Kansas
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20221205, 03:52  #167 
"Curtis"
Feb 2005
Riverside, CA
2^{2}×3^{3}×53 Posts 
The new job should be about half the Qrange of the old one to get just the additional rels needed. As set now, you're gonna be like 40% oversieved. I didn't testsieve, but I bet 35125M will be plenty when combined with the old relations.

20221205, 08:33  #168  
"Oliver"
Sep 2017
Porta Westfalica, DE
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The new job has started getting relations, by the way. 

20221205, 10:32  #169  
Jun 2012
7505_{8} Posts 
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If you come up short on rels I can bump up Q as needed on the a job of course. 

20221205, 10:41  #170 
"Oliver"
Sep 2017
Porta Westfalica, DE
2·7·103 Posts 
For the record, I have a copy of the old job now. So if it is gone, we will be fine.
By my original estimations, 35M125M should give a bit more than 260M raw relations, so around 520M in total. I am not experienced in how the duplication rate will look like in this case (partly r and party a), but when this would not be sufficient, we have a great starting point; thank you! Last fiddled with by kruoli on 20221205 at 10:48 Reason: Math is hard. 
20221205, 16:58  #171 
Sep 2009
100110000111_{2} Posts 
I did a job sieved on both sides on 14e, I found I had to sieve about 50% more specialQs in total than sieving on one side would have needed. Which confirmed that sieving on both sides was not useful unless we were limited by what siever we could use.
It was 29^1731, jobnames f29_173m1a and f29_173m1r. Search for posts relating to it for more details. For 145!1 the speed up from the algebraic side will probably beat the higher duplicate rate, but I'm not sure exactly how many relations you will need. 
20221207, 13:34  #172 
"Oliver"
Sep 2017
Porta Westfalica, DE
2·7·103 Posts 
There is only a handful of WUs available; we should move back at least one of the other jobs.
Last fiddled with by kruoli on 20221207 at 13:55 Reason: Spelling. 
20221207, 13:56  #173 
Jun 2012
3·1,303 Posts 
But are there enough rels now on the a side of 145!1_b to build a matrix once combined with those from the r side? It will probably be several days until we will know with any certainty, and I agree it’s time to restart sieving on another job, but I’m just suggesting we might have to bump up Q on 145!1_b and sieve it some more in the near future. Hoping not but…

20221207, 14:08  #174 
"Oliver"
Sep 2017
Porta Westfalica, DE
2·7·103 Posts 
If we go by the numbers of Chris, we will need more relations, but I am willing to wait for our current WUs complete up to 10M outstanding, then I will download them and will give remdups4 a go to determine how much duplicates there are.
If you want to bump it right now, I won't be against that; if we have a healthy oversieve I can postprocess this on my laptop which has only ~12 GB RAM available and some/most of my ~460M relations jobs won't quite fit there. I think stepping down one or two steps on VBITS would be a possibility here, but I will use a high memory machine in that case instead. 
20221207, 14:41  #175  
Jun 2012
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20221209, 11:02  #176 
"Oliver"
Sep 2017
Porta Westfalica, DE
2·7·103 Posts 
145!1 now has 331M unique relations (including pending ones by extrapolating). I would assume that this would be able to generate a matrix, but a big one (> 30M). Please correct me if this estimation is wrong.

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