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#1 |
Aug 2005
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Sorry if this is known, but didn't find it on the net.
The solution of x^2 = I in C leads to solution to x^2 = 2 mod (2^(2^n)+1). It is also possible to compute sqrt(2+sqrt(2)) mod (2^(2^n)+1) and similar roots rising from solutions in C. Any use of this? --Code-- n0:=8; n:=2^(2^n0)+1; ii:=powermod(2,2^(n0-1),n); ii2:=powermod(2,2^(n0-2),n); ii3:=powermod(2,2^(n0-3),n); sq2:=mods(ii2*2/(1+ii),n); /* sq2^2 mod n == 2*/ sq2a:=mods(ii3*2/((ii*sq2+1-ii)),n); /* sqrt(2+sqrt(2)) mod n*/ print("ii",ii,mods(ii^2,n),ii2,mods(ii2^2,n),"sqrt(2)=",sq2, "sqrt(2)^2=",mods(sq2^2,n),"sqrt(2+sqrt(2))=",sq2a,"^2=",mods(sq2a^2,n)); quit; -------- |
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#2 |
Aug 2002
Buenos Aires, Argentina
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I translated the sqrt(2) program to UBASIC
Code:
10 input N0 20 N=2^(2^N0)+1 30 Ii=modpow(2,2^(N0-1),N) 40 Ii2=modpow(2,2^(N0-2),N) 50 Sq2=(Ii2*2*modinv((1+Ii),N))@N 60 print Sq2,Sq2^2@N |
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#3 |
Aug 2002
Buenos Aires, Argentina
2×32×83 Posts |
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Unfortunately with the following code:
Code:
10 input N0 20 N=2^(2^N0)+1 30 Ii=modpow(2,2^(N0-1),N) 40 Ii2=modpow(2,2^(N0-2),N) 50 Ii3=modpow(2,2^(N0-3),N) 60 Sq2=(Ii2*2*modinv((1+Ii),N))@N 70 Sq2a=(Ii3*2*modinv((Ii*Sq2+1-Ii),N)@N) 80 print Sq2,Sq2^2@N 90 print ((Sq2a*Sq2a)-2)@N |
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#4 |
Aug 2005
3·5 Posts |
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I am theory lamer, but according to wikipedia:
>Let n ≥ 3 be a positive odd integer. Then n is a Fermat prime if and only if for every a >coprime to n, a is a primitive root mod n if and only if a is a quadratic nonresidue mod >n. Looks like sqrt(2) is not primitive root, so showing that it is nonresidue shows compositeness of Fn ? The original program computes sq2a^2 = 2+sqrt(2)=sqrt(2)*(1+sqrt(2)) (at least in C) so showing that any of sqrt(2),1+sqrt(2),1-sqrt(2) is nonresidue shows compositeness of Fn? The above reasoning may be quite buggy :) |
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#5 |
Aug 2005
3·5 Posts |
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When one takes the smaller absolute value of sq2 and sq2a ("signed mod") they have strange factorizations F[n] | sq2[n+i] and F[n] | sq2a[n+j].
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#6 |
Aug 2002
Buenos Aires, Argentina
2·32·83 Posts |
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Using n=5, F5 = 4294967297.
With your method you find sqrt(2) = 4278190337. If you somehow find sqrt(2) = 1370209359, you will be able to factor F5 since gcd(F5, 4278190337 - 1370209359) = 6700417 which is a proper factor of the original number. |
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#7 |
Aug 2005
3·5 Posts |
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sqrt(2) follows from:
fn(n) = fn(n-1)^2-2*(fn(n-2)-1)^2 fn(n) is the nth Fermat number |
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#8 |
Aug 2002
Buenos Aires, Argentina
101110101102 Posts |
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The code for sqrt(2) in UBASIC using your last post is:
Code:
10 input N0 20 N=2^(2^N0)+1 30 Ii=2^(2^(N0-1)) 40 Ii2=2^(2^(N0-2)) 50 Sq2=(Ii2*2*modinv((1+Ii),N))@N 60 print Sq2,Sq2^2@N 70 print (Ii+1)*modinv(Ii2,N)@N |
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#9 |
Aug 2005
3×5 Posts |
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sqrt(2+sqrt(2+sqrt(2+sqrt(2+....sqrt(2))) are computable from Z and iterating x -> x^2 -2 may reach zero in n+1 steps.
mupad code: Code:
fn:=proc(n) begin 2^(2^n)+1;end_proc; n0:=7; n:=fn(n0); sq2:=mods(fn(n0-1)/(fn(n0-2)-1),n); mods(sq2^2,n); vk:=(fn(n0-2)/(2^(2^(n0-3)))); print(" ^2 -sq2[-1] ",1,mods(vk,n),mods(vk^2,n)-sq2); for i from 2 to n0-2 do vt:=sqrt(vk+2); print(" ^2 -sq2[-1] ",i,vt,mods(vt,n),mods(vk,n),mods(vt^2,n), "== 2, ",mods(vt^2-vk,n)); vk:=vt; end_for; s1:=mods(3*sq2/2,n); print(" + ",i,mods(s1,n),mods(vk,n),mods(s1^2-vk,n)); for i from 1 to n0+1 do print(" x -> x^2-2 ",i,gcd(s1,n),s1); s1:=mods(s1^2-2,n); end_for; quit; |
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#10 |
Sep 2005
Berlin
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Let F(n) = 2^(2^n) + 1.
Then the "trivial" square root of 2 is sqrt(2) = F(n-1) * inv(F(n-2) - 1) (mod F(n)) (inv is the inverse number mod F(n)) because of the real factorization F(n) = F(n-1)^2 - x^2 where x = (F(n-2) - 1)*sqrt(2) |
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#11 | |
Aug 2005
3×5 Posts |
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Yes, the square root of 2 is trivial mod Fn. (2+2^(1/2))^2 and (2+(2+2^(1/2))^(1/2))^(1/2) mod Fn are a little more subtle. |
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