20070928, 14:28  #1 
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Solving discrete logarithm in 2 variables
Is solving a 2 variable discrete logarithm problem just as hard as the one variable variant.
By 2 variable discrete logarithm I mean solving this: 2^y = 18 mod n and 2^x = 22 mod n for x and y when n can be varied to any (preferably small) integer. 
20070928, 15:23  #2  
"Bob Silverman"
Nov 2003
North of Boston
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If n is given, then you simply have two separate congruences in one variable each. If n is NOT given, then you have two simultaneous congruences in THREE variables. In neither case is it a 2 variable problem. 

20070928, 17:32  #3 
Aug 2002
Buenos Aires, Argentina
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A more interesting question would be:
How do you solve for (x,y) the equations: x^y = 54 (mod 811) y^x = 141 (mod 811) without brute force? 
20070928, 17:42  #4  
"Bob Silverman"
Nov 2003
North of Boston
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I would start by enumerating the primitive roots of 811. 

20070929, 01:45  #5 
Jun 2003
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Yes it is. Though there are some steps that can be combined. The running time for 2 problems will be sqrt(2*n) whereas for a single problem will be sqrt(n). So if we do not use the common steps then the time for 2 problems will be 2*sqrt(n). Thus doing 2 problems is 1.4 times faster.
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20070929, 02:04  #6  
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I was just wondering if it was possible to pick an M so that solving both of these equations would be arbitrarily easy. Is there some property of mod powers of 2 or something that would solve both equations quickly? 

20071001, 22:12  #7 
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I finally figured out how to do this. The PohligHellman algorithm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PohligHellman_algorithm) allows quick determination of the discrete logarithm of a smooth integer.

20071002, 09:42  #8  
"Bob Silverman"
Nov 2003
North of Boston
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20071002, 10:12  #9 
Dec 2005
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clueless crank...are there many cranks that have a clue ?

20071002, 11:15  #10 
"Bob Silverman"
Nov 2003
North of Boston
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20071002, 20:24  #11 
Bamboozled!
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May 2003
Down not across
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