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Old 2020-03-28, 17:52   #408
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-by Caitlin Johnstone

https://consortiumnews.com/2020/03/2...by-this-virus/
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... the overwhelming majority of the money is going to corporations while actual human beings receive a paltry $1,200 ...
That is the same thinking as the IoT and various other devices like phones and tractors. The majority of the public seem to be perfectly okay with the corporations keeping control of the things they "sell". So naturally it follows that this extra money should go to the corps to keep the user's stuff running. Right? Because clearly we can't trust the public to spend it wisely, they'll all just waste it on food and shelter, when instead it should go to companies to make better adverts and sell more stuff.
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Old 2020-03-28, 19:25   #409
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|The 911 version works for anyone, including landlines. Some Brits have taken to using it because it supposedly gets a faster response. Personally I very much doubt that claim.
IIRC S. Korea uses reversed-911, 119.

But AFAIK *bit*-reversed 911, 967, is still available.
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Old 2020-03-29, 01:18   #410
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Brazil's Bolsonaro makes life-or-death coronavirus gamble
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RIO DE JANEIRO (AP) — Even as coronavirus cases mount in Latin America's largest nation, Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has staked out the most deliberately dismissive position of any major world leader, calling the pandemic a momentary, minor problem and saying strong measures to contain it are unnecessary.

Bolsonaro says his response to the disease matches that of President Donald Trump in the U.S., but the Brazilian leader has gone further, labeling the virus as "a little flu" and saying state governors' aggressive measures to halt the disease were crimes.

On Thursday, Bolsonaro told reporters in the capital, Brasilia, that he feels Brazilians' natural immunity will protect the nation.
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Bolsonaro, 65, shows no sign of wavering even as the nation's tally of confirmed COVID-19 cases approach 4,000, deaths top 100 and Brazilians overwhelmingly demand tough anti-virus measures.
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Old 2020-03-29, 01:40   #411
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In some areas 911 works too. The neighborhoods[sic] of USAF airbases are the principle examples.
I lived just off RAF Brawdy for several years, not sure if 911 worked there though. (Military brat)
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Old 2020-03-29, 01:46   #412
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I am not sure this has been covered in this thread... but there are two types of covid-19: S and L, the latter being more deadly.
The study that this is based on is flawed and should be withdrawn. There are very few mutations in COVID-19, its repair mechanism (similar to the one in MERS and SARS-CoV-1) is so good that it's acting much more like a DNA virus than an RNA virus, IMO. You can track the phylogeny trees by individual point mutations and there aren't many (~10).
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Old 2020-03-29, 02:10   #413
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Whatever might be done in Rio, for instance, wouldn't reach deep into the slums. Even if well-off folk could retreat to their gated communities, there would be a simmering reservoir of the virus waiting for them outside.
My partner, who is much less swayed than I by wild possibilities, says in bitter moments that the intent behind the mangled pandemic response is to thin the herd through intentional neglect and obstruction.
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Old 2020-03-29, 16:21   #414
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The bankers and billionaires now urging Americans get back to work possess a huge share of that stock market. The richest 1% of the population owns roughly half of the value of all shares of stock. (The richest 10% own more than 80%.)

So when they recommend Americans get back to work for the sake of the “economy”, they’re really urging that other people risk their lives for the sake of the bankers’ and billionaires’ own stock portfolios.

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Old 2020-03-29, 18:12   #415
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Today's numbers:
Globally, 685623 cases, 32988 deaths, 145706 recovered, 177 nations
CFR1 = 32988 / (32988+145706) = 0.1846 =18.46%
CFR2 = 32988 / 685623 = 0.048 = 4.8%

US: 125313 casas, 1986 deaths, 2612 recovered
CFR1 = 1986 / ( 1986+2612) = 0.4318 = 43.18%
CFR2 = 1986 / 125313 = 0.01585 = 1.58%
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashb...23467b48e9ecf6

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
global: 708020 cases, 33529 deaths, 50734 recovered, 523757 active cases of which 5% are serious or critical; 18% death rate in closed cases
USA: 133240 cases, 2363 deaths, 4378 recovered, 126499 active of which 2948 serious or critical;
cases 403/M, deaths 7/M
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Old 2020-03-29, 18:24   #416
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It takes people showing up for work, to produce food and the inputs for farming, transport the food to distribution points, produce electricity so the gadgets in the clinics and hospitals work, make and deliver the PPE so the medical staff don't get sick or die, make and deliver test kits, make and deliver medicines, staff the pharmacies, keep municipal water wells working, deal with underground pipe breaks, etc.
If everyone stopped showing up for work, lots of people would die.
There is no zero-death solution. Only tradeoffs, weakly measured or merely estimated.

The life expectancy without Covid19 was 80ish. In a normal year millions die in the US.
Much of it is due to predictable outcomes of people's own choices, producing obesity, diabetes, heart attacks, strokes, lung cancer from cigarettes or cigars, alcohol or other substance abuse or overdose, trauma from reckless driving or speeding or poor vehicle maintenance, intentional violence, etc.
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Old 2020-03-29, 18:29   #417
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Gleaned from the Moscow Times:

03/22/20 Russia confirmed 61 new cases of coronavirus
03/23/20 Russia confirmed 71 new coronavirus infections total 438
03/24/20 Russia confirmed 57 new coronavirus infections total 495
03/25/20 No report, but by subtraction, 163 new cases, total 658
03/26/20 Russia confirmed 182 new coronavirus infections total 840
03/27/20 Russia confirmed 196 new coronavirus infections total 1036
03/28/20 Russia confirmed 228 new coronavirus infections total 1264
03/29/20 Russia confirmed 270 new coronavirus infections total 1534
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Old 2020-03-29, 18:38   #418
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If everyone stopped showing up for work, lots of people would die.
There is no zero-death solution. Only tradeoffs, weakly measured or merely estimated.
Strawmen do not need to worry about getting Coronavirus.

One thing I think it's reasonable to be concerned about is, if enough people get COVID-19 at the same time, it could overwhelm hospitals, making them unable to treat patients with other problems.

Oh, wait, people with other problems, be they illness or injury, have only themselves to blame. Screw 'em.
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