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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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I missed reading about this a few months ago.
Ever wonder what the Deep Impact space probe did after its primary mission (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/de...ion/index.html) to knock out and observe some chunks of comet Tempel 1 ? If I'd been paying attention, I might've remembered that it (renamed as EPOXI) was to (a) observe exoplanet transits and distantly observe the Earth-Moon system in order to characterize its appearance for comparison to exoplanet observations (http://deepimpact.umd.edu/), and (b) fly by another comet closely (1000 km) (http://epoxi.umd.edu/1mission/index.shtml). Here's a movie of Moon transiting Earth, from http://epoxi.umd.edu/7press/news/20080717.shtml (Note how dark the Moon looks beside Earth: its albedo is low.) Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2008-12-29 at 20:58 |
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∂2ω=0
Sep 2002
República de California
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Of course, I just had to make this thread sticky.
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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Whoops -- didn't notice in advance:
EPOXI just made a swing by Earth yesterday (http://epoxi.umd.edu/7press/news/20100625.shtml) to get its final gravity assist for visiting comet Hartley 2 on Nov. 4 this year. Since accomplishing its Deep Impact mission at comet Tempel 1, EPOXI has been observing transits of exoplanaets around other stars and maneuvering to shape its orbit to pass by comet Hartley 2. From http://epoxi.umd.edu/2science/targets.shtml Quote:
Most comets are too faint to see with current technology when they are at aphelion. As they re-approach the Sun, warm up and resume emitting particles to form a coma, eventually they become bright enough to see again. Once they do, their positions can be measured and orbits updated. Comet orbits are less precisely predictable far in advance than asteroid orbits because they are subject to significant non-gravitational forces from the jets of material evaporating from their nuclei when they are close to the Sun. That isn't much of a problem if all you want to do is look at them from Earth -- a million km one way or the other doesn't make it all that hard to find. But if you're trying to send a space probe close to one, and need to do so at the best angle for photography and other data-taking, you need a more precise orbital prediction. That can't be done until the comet has been "recovered", or re-sighted. Why not just update the orbit as the comet is pulling away from the Sun? Because the slight differences due to non-gravitational forces take some time to make enough difference in position for us to measure accurately. That's more readily done after half an orbit, several years later, than during the few months the comet stays close to the Sun, where the non-gravitational forces are greatest but have not yet had time to make much difference in distance.) Quote:
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Jul 2006
USA (UT-5) via UK (UT)
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If they were, comets would be as predictable as minor planets. Quote:
observe the comet. If that 1 million km is tangential to the geocentric vector to the comet, the difference in sky positions will amount to atan(1/d), where d is the geocentric distance to the comet in millions of km. For d = 1, that's 45 degrees; d = 10, ~5.7 degrees; d = 100, ~0.6 deg. Gareth (who has computed quite a number of cometary orbits with NG parameters in his time). |
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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"Tally-Ho! Deep Impact Spacecraft Eyes Comet Target"
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/asteroidwatc...m?release=2727 Quote:
"UMD-Led Team Begins Imaging Comet Hartley 2 with Deep Impact Spacecraft" http://newsdesk.umd.edu/global/relea...ArticleID=2224 Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2010-09-09 at 17:57 |
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∂2ω=0
Sep 2002
República de California
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And we had not one but two "bullet burn"-style near-misses yesterday, both by small (~10meter-ish diameter) objects passing within the distance of the moon's orbit from Earth.
Both of these objects (RX30 and RF12) were well-characterized in advance (first spotted Sunday, orbits determined with sufficient accuracy to be sure of a miss shortly thereafter) by the NEO folks at the MPC. Gareth, were you involved in these particular orbital determinations and if so, about how long did it take to do the followup observations needed to determine the orbits for these? Just for kicks, I sorted the MPC list of 2010 close approaches by closest-approach distance...RF12 is the closest-approaching object of that list this year, and RX30 is #5. Even though the distances are individually not that unusual, it's pretty unusual to have 2 such close ones in a 24-hour period. Last fiddled with by ewmayer on 2010-09-09 at 19:18 |
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Jul 2006
USA (UT-5) via UK (UT)
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couldn't come closer than about 10 Earth radii. And I did the initial Minor Planet Electronic Circular announcing the discovery and the designation, as well as two follow-up circulars later in the day with additional observations and updated orbits so that the uncertainties the next night would be as small as possible. Since 2010 RX30 was never considered to be an earth-impactor, I didn't do anything on that object. It was a hectic few hours, complicated by the fact that I was also dealing with a hardware problem with one of our computers. Gareth Last fiddled with by Graff on 2010-09-09 at 21:41 |
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Aug 2003
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Any prediscovery images found yet? Has any one looked into automating the prediscovery search (or is it already happening in some fashion)? I know that often some of the larger objects are found in the Palomar plates.
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Jul 2006
USA (UT-5) via UK (UT)
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are any images of this object in the archives of photographic plates and CCD images. (2010 RF12 reached only mag ~ 13 moving at > 1000"/min and photographic plates would be hard pressed to record such a fast-moving faint image.) Prediscovery images are usually only found for objects with diameters above ~ 0.5 km. There are a number of individuals who run semi-automated searches for previously unmeasured images in archives and we run automated searches for reported measures of previously-unidentified objects. Gareth |
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∂2ω=0
Sep 2002
República de California
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Spot the copy-editing silliness in the following meteoric headline - No, not the one I quip with at end of this post, the other one:
Rare daylight meteor seen, heard over Nevada, California: LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A rare daytime meteor was seen and heard streaking over northern Nevada and parts of California on Sunday, just after the peak of an annual meteor shower. It was amusing listening to the meteorologists on the local news stations talking about the event ... insert cartoon-style thought bubble above their heads, reading "Finally I get to do what I was hired to do! Screw this 'weather analysis & forecast' crap..." Also, where in heck is Nevada, CA? I was unable to find a town of that name on my atlas. Is that near Tahoe? |
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