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2022-05-17, 16:10   #1684
chris2be8

Sep 2009

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 Originally Posted by Dr Sardonicus How many may have died of other things, with COVID as a contributing factor, may never be known. How many others may have died of unrelated causes, for lack of timely medical attention due to the strain on resources caused by COVID, may never be known.
The best guess for a country is the number of excess deaths over the number that would normally have occurred over the relevant time period. That doesn't depend on how much testing was done. It's basically deaths from COVID (but not deaths with COVID) plus deaths as a result of COVID from load on health care etc.

It only requires a country to record deaths reasonably accurately. And not fudge the figures for propaganda (yes China, I'm referring to you).

2022-05-17, 16:48   #1685
mart_r

Dec 2008
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 Originally Posted by retina According to Wikipedia, North Korea has a single case of Covid reported. So yay for NK, right, doing so well. But, wait. they are also reporting 56 deaths! Ermm, how does that even work? One case managed to kill 56 others without passing it on, and not kill themselves. Amazing.
Been following the news about Covid in NK quite closely. Since the first official case reported Thursday last week, it seems to spread like crazy.
I'm suspecting that it's been there for quite a while, only now it became worse enough that they are willing to ask for help.

I'm also envisioning China's strategy having extreme side effects we can hardly even foresee at the moment.

2022-05-17, 20:01   #1686
retina
Undefined

"The unspeakable one"
Jun 2006
My evil lair

3×2,153 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Dr Sardonicus COVID has killed a million people here in the good ol' USA (official cause of death as listed on death certificates).
USA is number 20 on the list for death rate.
Code:
   Deaths ppm
01 213013 6385 Peru
02  37059 5373 Bulgaria
03  15781 4836 Bosnia and Herzegovina
04  46343 4810 Hungary
05   9291 4461 North Macedonia
06   2719 4329 Montenegro
07  16811 4224 Georgia
08  15942 3906 Croatia
09  40256 3754 Czech Republic
10  20050 3679 Slovakia
11  65612 3430 Romania
12   9129 3394 Lithuania
13    115 3381 San Marino
14   6625 3187 Slovenia
15 665216 3109 Brazil
16   5803 3108 Latvia
17 116207 3075 Poland
18    102 3028 Gibraltar
19  57725 3005 Chile
20 999842 3003 United States
The WP page is a little bit behind, it has yet to post the 1M figure.

2022-05-17, 20:13   #1687
retina
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"The unspeakable one"
Jun 2006
My evil lair

11001001110112 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by retina One case managed to kill 56 others without passing it on, and not kill themselves. Amazing.
Oh. A deep flaw in my logic there.

I suppose the single case could have also died, So 55 killed + the originator.

So now I understand it. NK is doing contact tracing, and eliminating all the contacts.

 2022-05-18, 11:25 #1688 Dr Sardonicus     Feb 2017 Nowhere 32·643 Posts The Great Successor convened an emergency meeting of the Politburo. He screamed at them all for bungling the situation, and ordered them to do better. But they were unable to comply, because they were too busy being shot.
2022-05-18, 13:26   #1689
Dr Sardonicus

Feb 2017
Nowhere

169B16 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by chris2be8 The best guess for a country is the number of excess deaths over the number that would normally have occurred over the relevant time period. That doesn't depend on how much testing was done. It's basically deaths from COVID (but not deaths with COVID) plus deaths as a result of COVID from load on health care etc. It only requires a country to record deaths reasonably accurately. And not fudge the figures for propaganda (yes China, I'm referring to you).
The BBC has an article on excess deaths, etc. since COVID showed up here.

2022-05-18, 13:36   #1690
Uncwilly
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by Dr Sardonicus The BBC has an article on excess deaths, etc. since COVID showed up here.
That is what the graphs that I was posting were based on.

 2022-05-20, 14:29 #1691 retina Undefined     "The unspeakable one" Jun 2006 My evil lair 11001001110112 Posts Curiously NK is now reporting 6 deaths, and the same single case. So 50 people have been brought back from the dead. I never knew NK had such an amazing ability. Maybe next week it will be zero deaths.
 2022-05-20, 15:04 #1692 Uncwilly 6809 > 6502     """"""""""""""""""" Aug 2003 101×103 Posts 101001001010112 Posts And we have seen pictures of KJU with a mask on. They did refuse millions of doses of the vaccine from COVAX.

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