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2009-01-21, 14:26   #34
gd_barnes

May 2007
Kansas; USA

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Quote:
 Originally Posted by Mini-Geek What's the average weight (or combined weight or something) of the k's in 1600-1700 vs the other k=100 ranges? Also, I'd bet that if somebody worked the math out, this is bound to happen some time or another, just like GIMPS's two primes two weeks apart, which seems impossibly unlikely, but it worked out to be a decent probability over as much time as GIMPS has been around and assuming 1 prime/year (which they shouldn't 'expect', by prime heuristics, but they seem to be in a dense area of Mersennes).

I'm not sure of the avg. weight but it'd be a relatively quick excercise to do it by looking at Rieselprime.org. For 50 k's in each 100k range, I doubt the average is much different than any other 100k range. Even if it was, it wouldn't explain such a deviation. If you want and have time, feel free to post your findings here.

You think exactly like I do. I know what are random events seem like non-random because there are so many multidues of possibilities for those events. People frequently associate such random events with miracles, mystic happenings, etc., which is completely bogus.

This is likely just one of those "random" fluctuations from the mean as though you got 75-80 heads when flipping a random coin 100 times. If you did 1 million tests of 100 coin flips, you'll most likely get 75-80 heads at some point. It'd be easy enough to do the math to figure the odds of this happening but I don't have time right now. For all I know, it could take 1 billion such tests on average.

In the prime number world though, I don't think we have clear proof yet that these things are completely random yet so when apparently non-random "clumpings" occur, it makes even the most logical amongst us wonder a little bit.

From my 21-month experience in prime searching, I believe this is the most unusual clumping that I have seen. But since I've had 21 months to witness such a thing, it's probably random. (lol)

Edit: I just noticed that Chris found a new prime on port 8000 and guess what: It's k=1600-1700...that's TEN consecutive new primes in that range. Now I can say that primes are very VERY strange.

Gary

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2009-01-21, 14:39   #35
Flatlander
I quite division it

"Chris"
Feb 2005
England

31·67 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by gd_barnes ... Edit: I just noticed that Chris found a new prime on port 8000 and guess what: It's k=1600-1700...that's TEN consecutive new primes in that range. Now I can say that primes are very VERY strange. Gary
1697*2^361566-1
1629*2^362181-1
are prime!
Try to keep up Gary! lol

 2009-01-21, 14:46 #36 gd_barnes     May 2007 Kansas; USA 22·17·149 Posts Funny Chris: I just saw your 2nd new prime come up with my confirmed one: 1475*2^362176-1 is confirmed prime With Chris's two finds here, we can now make that 11 consecutive new primes found for k=1600-1700. This has become so outlandishly bizzare that I went and checked the k/n pairs that are being handed out in David's server: Plenty of k=1800-2000 candidates in there. With little searching having been previously done in that area, I'm dumbfounded. The count now stands: Code: k-value # primes 1400-1500 7 1500-1600 6 1600-1700 14 1700-1800 2 1800-1900 0 1900-2000 2 It's now 27-4 in favor of k=1400-1700. Gary
 2009-01-21, 17:43 #37 Flatlander I quite division it     "Chris" Feb 2005 England 31·67 Posts I just received a second email for 1697*2^361566-1 I tried to enter it in top-5000! Last fiddled with by Flatlander on 2009-01-21 at 17:45
2009-01-21, 17:55   #38
gd_barnes

May 2007
Kansas; USA

22×17×149 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Flatlander I just received a second email for 1697*2^361566-1 I tried to enter it in top-5000!

What? The prime that you just submitted a couple of hours ago doesn't look familiar to you? lol

In the mean time, can anyone say 12 in a row new primes for k=1600-1700?:

1689*2^362388-1 is prime

If this continues for another couple of primes, I'm going to do some serious investigation on # of k/n pairs/avg. weight/what k's have already been searched/etc. I may have been in prime-searching for only 21 months, but this is not something that should happen once in 21 months...more like once in 21 years!

I'm quite confident that k=1800-1900 & 1900-2000 have been searched no more than k=1600-1700 so if you allow the 1st prime in the streak to be any one of the 3, then the chances on any 12-prime sequence coming up 12 in a row in one of the 3 are 1 in 3^11 = 177147.

What that means is that I would have had to have witnessed or been involved in the searching of 177147 top-5000 primes by now. In 21 years, sure, but not 21 months. In non-top-5000 primes, sure, but not top-5000 primes.

Go figure!

Gary

 2009-01-21, 18:00 #39 Flatlander I quite division it     "Chris" Feb 2005 England 31·67 Posts Can I reserve k=1600-1700, n = 365,000-400,000?
2009-01-21, 20:28   #40
IronBits
I ♥ BOINC!

Oct 2002
Glendale, AZ. (USA)

3×7×53 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Flatlander I just received a second email for 1697*2^361566-1 I tried to enter it in top-5000!
My BAD. I didn't see it in my Sent Items, so wanted to make sure you got a notice.
When AMDave gets the auto-notify working from the database, you all will receive duplicate notices until we are sure it's solid, then I'll stop my vbscript auto-notify routine, and yet another windows script goes bye-bye

 2009-01-22, 04:03 #41 gd_barnes     May 2007 Kansas; USA 100111100101002 Posts How about 13 in a row?: 1661*2^362878-1 is prime Also: 1783*2^362647-1 is confirmed prime 1557*2^362769-1 is confirmed prime
 2009-01-22, 09:26 #42 gd_barnes     May 2007 Kansas; USA 22×17×149 Posts The k=1600-1700 new prime streak finally ends at 13: 1955*2^364156-1 is prime
 2009-01-22, 11:42 #43 gd_barnes     May 2007 Kansas; USA 1013210 Posts 1493*2^364348-1 is confirmed prime 1587*2^364520-1 is confirmed prime Last fiddled with by gd_barnes on 2009-01-23 at 07:04
 2009-01-22, 15:21 #44 gd_barnes     May 2007 Kansas; USA 22·17·149 Posts I'll gladly slay this high-prior-known prime area before we start the rally: 1483*2^365027-1 is confirmed prime

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