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 Register FAQ Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read 2008-01-30, 18:53 #1 davar55   May 2004 New York City 5·7·112 Posts Ratio of Areas Show that the ratio of the areas of the circumscribed to inscribed circles of a right triangle with integral sides can never be a Mersenne prime.    2008-02-03, 19:02 #2 wblipp   "William" May 2003 New Haven 1001010000002 Posts The winky is because the ratio can never be an integer. We can limit ourselves to right triangles whose sides are primitive Pythagorean triples because scaling the triangle larger will not change the ratio. Recall that all primitive Pythagorean triples can be generated from p and q relatively prime and opposite parity as p[sup]2[/sup] - q[sup]2[/sup] 2pq p[sup]2[/sup] + q[sup]2[/sup] The radius r of the inscribed circle can be found by taking the area of the three triangles using a side of the right triangle as base and r as height. r = ab / (a+b+c) The center of the circumscribed circle has to be half-way along each side, so it's radius R is R = c/2 The ratio R/r is c(a+b+c)/ab Substituting the expressions for primitive Pythagorean triples we get (p[sup]2[/sup] + q[sup]2[/sup])(2p[sup]2[/sup]+2pq)/((4(p[sup]2[/sup] - q[sup]2[/sup])pq) Which simplifies to (p[sup]2[/sup] + q[sup]2[/sup])/((2(p-q)q) The numerator is odd because p and q are opposite parity. The denominator is even. Hence this ratio is never an integer. As a further exericise, show that if the ratio is a half integer, then it is half a Fermat Prime. William   2008-02-13, 03:20   #3
davar55

May 2004
New York City

5·7·112 Posts Quote:
 Originally Posted by wblipp r = ab / (a+b+c) The ratio R/r is c(a+b+c)/ab

I just want to point out that a "simpler" expression for r is
r = (a+b-c)/2, and so R/r = c/(a+b-c), and then if you know
(or using p and q) that c must be odd and a,b must be
opposite parity, then the denominator must be even.
The rest is as you said.

Quote:
 As a further exercise, show that if the ratio is a half integer, then it is half a Fermat Prime.
As in your derivation, if the ratio R/r of radii (not areas) is
a half integer, then q must = 1, p must = 2, so a,b,c = 3,4,5,
so 2R/r = 5, which is lo and behold a Fermat Prime! (Thanks for
understanding the winky.)

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