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Old 2006-01-04, 13:00   #1
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I'm shopping for a new mainboard and RAM for an AMD Athlon X2 4400+ CPU, and realize I don't know anything about modern RAM technologies. Will unbuffered RAM make a difference? What is the difference? ECC is error correction, right? Is ECC useful? What combination will give me the most reliable and fastest machine? What needs to be supported by the mainboard? Any other features I should look for, except not having integrated VGA?
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Old 2006-01-04, 18:41   #2
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Modern Athlon 64s run great with regular DDR400 RAM. No ECC or buffered RAM is needed (i think buffered RAM is only supported on opterons anyway).

I would recommend buying 2 sticks of DDR400 and place them on different channels (Athlon x2 and all socket 939 athlons support dual channel memory). Your motherboard manual will tell you how to do it. Running dual channel memory is a cheap way to increase performance.

I would recommend getting a mainboard with the new nForce 4 chipset. It supports PCI-express and i've always liked nvidia nForce series (except nForce 3)
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Old 2006-01-04, 23:42   #3
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DDR400 RAM is also known by PC3200.

I am also looking to get a new PC using an Athlon X2,
either 4400+ or 4800+ (both CPUs have 2 x 1MB cache).

A motherboard that I am seriously considering,
because of promised stability, heat reduction and performance,
the Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe.
Though it has two X16 PCIe slots for nVidia SLI, which I don't really care about,
it has power saving, heat reducing, performance increasing technologies which do interest me.
The MB chipsets use a heat pipe, instead of heatsinks and fans.
Has 8 Phase power to the CPU to reduce heat.
Very numerous I/O ports: 10 USB, 2 GB LAN, etc.

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...44&modelmenu=1

AMD Socket 939, Athlon 64 FX/Athlon 64 X2/Athlon 64/Sempron
True Dual X16 SLI
8 Phase Power Design
Fanless Design - Heat Pipe & Stack Cool 2
Optional FAN for Water-cooling
64-bit CPU support
External Serial ATA 3.0Gb/s port
4 x DIMM, max. 4GB, DDR 400 / 333 / 266, ECC, non-ECC, un-buffered memory


It uses MB optimized low latency memory from Corsair.
Able to do 1T command rate with this MB instead of only 2T.
Heatsink on each DIMM.

Corsair XMS-3500LL PRO
CL2-1T low latency, matched pair of 1GB modules.
SPD programmed at 2-3-2-6-1T for the AMD platform.
A8N32-SLI Deluxe and XMS-3500LL PRO optimized for each other
for maximum performance, validated for stability and compatibility.

For the CPU heatsink/fan the Artic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro CPU AMD64
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/cpu2.php?idx=80

Uses heat pipes and a low noise fan, supports X2 and single core CPUs to 5000+.
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Old 2006-01-04, 23:58   #4
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The A8N32-SLI Deluxe uses nVidia nForce 4 SLI.

The BIOS has numerous items that can be controlled/modified.

I/O Ports

Back Panel I/O Ports
1 x PS/2 Keyboard
1 x PS/2 Mouse
1 x Parallel
1 x S/PDIF Out (Coaxial + Optical)
1 x External SATA
2 x RJ45
4 x USB 2.0/1.1
1 x Wireless LAN antenna jack ** only on wireless edition
1 x Wireless LAN activity LED ** only on wireless edition
8-Channel Audio I/O

Internal I/O Connectors
6 x USB 2.0/1.1
1 x Floppy disk drive connector
2 x IDE connector
5 x SATA connectors
1 x CPU / 2 x Chassis / 2 x Chipset / 1 x Power Fan connectors
1 x GAME / MIDI connector
2 x IEEE1394a connector
1 x COM connector
Front panel audio connector
Chassis Intrusion connector
CD / AUX audio in
24-pin ATX Power connector
4-pin ATX 12V Power connector
4-pin EZ Plug power connector

The built in audio is AC97 so it isn't very good, but it can be disabled,
and a PCI Sound card used instead.
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Old 2006-01-05, 16:19   #5
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I am also looking to get a new PC using an Athlon X2, either 4400+ or 4800+ (both CPUs have 2 x 1MB cache).
4800+ is much more expensive. I decided to go for a 4400+ and use the saved money on more and better RAM, a better motherboard and completely silent cooling. The machine will stay on in my bedroom 24/7/365 with 100% load, and I want to keep noise at an absoulute minimum.
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A motherboard that I am seriously considering, because of promised stability, heat reduction and performance, the Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe.
This is one of my most promising candidates too. Performs very well on all tests I've found around the web, is fanless and has all the features I may need in foreseeable future.
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4 x DIMM, max. 4GB, DDR 400 / 333 / 266, ECC, non-ECC, un-buffered memory
Thanks. The webshop just mentioned "non-ECC", which left me in doubt because I thought ECC was a good ting.
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Corsair XMS-3500LL PRO CL2-1T low latency, matched pair of 1GB modules. SPD programmed at 2-3-2-6-1T for the AMD platform.
We are going to end up with almost identical combinations! The look of those modules make me think I pay too much for design and blinkenlichten, but at least they will be well hidden inside my gray computer.
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For the CPU heatsink/fan the Artic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro CPU AMD64
If I can't find a water cooling system which promises to work by convection only, not needing a pump, I'll invest in a Zalman Reserator: http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/...x=160&code=021
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Old 2006-01-07, 16:09   #6
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If I can't find a water cooling system which promises to work by convection only, not needing a pump, I'll invest in a Zalman Reserator: http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/...x=160&code=021
Well, basically there just can't be totally passive watercooler system on home computer, but I do have REserator 1 plus -system myself and I can tell you that it is absolutely dead silent, so you just wont hear anything from it.

And if you want to see my temperatures with it: http://koti.mbnet.fi/jaarli/kuvat/temps.png

CPU are dualcore 4200+ with 2x Prime95 runnin naturally and GPU are also on watercooler. Chipset and PWMIC are cooled by air and I need to invest to 120mm intake fan to get that PWMIC little lower, tough it is power mosfets so 60 celsius is still pretty low for them.
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Old 2006-01-09, 11:00   #7
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Well, basically there just can't be totally passive watercooler system on home computer, but I do have REserator 1 plus -system myself and I can tell you that it is absolutely dead silent, so you just wont hear anything from it.
A totally passive watercooler system should be possible. Here is one example: http://www.0xa0.com/biso/sirpal/sirpal.html But of course -- absolutely dead silent is good enough for me, even with a pump.
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And if you want to see my temperatures with it: http://koti.mbnet.fi/jaarli/kuvat/temps.png
Nice. What program made this?
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Old 2006-01-10, 01:34   #8
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Default Totally passive Liquid cooling

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/01/..._out_the_fans/

"Strip Out The Fans, Add 8 Gallons of Cooking Oil

Dousing Your Athlon FX-55 With Eight Gallons Of Cooking Oil?"
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Old 2006-01-10, 04:42   #9
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i read that a few hours ago i find it kinda sweet....
gets collapseable swiming pool
finds nearest distrubutor of vegi oil
finds as many motherboards and procs as possible... plugs a cord in and chuck setup into oil -_-


***some time later on international news***
some crazy persons pool just burst into flames after he overfilled it with nodes for prime95 crunching
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Old 2006-01-28, 13:54   #10
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And if you want to see my temperatures with it: http://koti.mbnet.fi/jaarli/kuvat/temps.png
Nice. What program made this?
Motherboard Monitor 5 with help of settings file found from DFI-Street
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Old 2006-01-29, 10:49   #11
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Quote:
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And if you want to see my temperatures with it: http://koti.mbnet.fi/jaarli/kuvat/temps.png
I'd say, your "powermic" temperature is too high
Right now I have at full load:
CPU @ 47C (Thermalright XP-120 + PAPST 4412 F/2 GL)
PWERMIC @ 45C
Chipset @ 41C (Zalman ZM-NB47J - passive)

I am using only PAPST fans (3 case fans + 1 CPU fan), that are very silent, and right now the noisiest components in my system are 2 x HDD from Samsung

BTW:
I have an Athlon 64 X2 4200 @ 2.45 GHz.
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