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Old 2013-02-26, 19:20   #1
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[QUOTE=LaurV;328319]
Moving the rook from b1.... hm... this would need more study, but... does it really matter? Would they give a (second) rook for a pawn in f3? They can't move the e2 horse, if they do so, they lose the pawn in f4 and the horse is forever locked in c1. We still have sente. What sente? We have big offensive! The Z day!

Anyhow, I did not look into this too much. I studied more the version when they move the rook after they take the pawn, but that seems very good for us too, like in

18.... dxe4 19.Bxe4 Nd5 20.Rbd1 Nxe3 21.Rxd8, then Raxd8! sacrifice the queen and again we have plenty of material advantage.

I don't believe they can win this anymore, we have at least the draw. Depending of their next moves, we even may win it... :whistle:[/QUOTE]

I think it's clear at this point (especially with that side game played) who the best player of the 8 of us is. :smile:

So Nxe3?
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Old 2013-02-27, 10:43   #2
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Wonderfull, they went for the queens exchange. These moves are forced now: 20...Nxe3 21.Rxd8 Raxd8 22-""their queen goes somewhere else- we take the rook"", 23-""they take the bishop, we move the horse out, or they take the horse, we exchange the bishops" (assuming they defend the bishop with the queen still, otherwise bad for them).

After that, they have to move, the 24th move, and THAT move will be the one which will say if this is a long game, or a short one, i.e. if we have to fight to win, or we can win easier. They have no chance to win anymore, from here, and they can get a draw only if we play silly.
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Old 2013-02-27, 18:22   #3
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[QUOTE=Dubslow;331127]
[TEX]I\ think\ it\ is\ clear\ at\ this\ point\ (especially\ with\ that\ side\ game\ played)\ who\ the\ best\ player\ of\ the\ 8\ of\ us\ is.[/TEX]

[TEX]So\ \mathbb{N} \times e3?[/TEX]
[/QUOTE]

[TEX]1.\ What\ side\ game\ was\ being\ played?[/TEX]
[TEX]2.\ Whom\ do\ you\ think\ that\ the\ best\ player\ among\ the\ eight\ of\ us\ players\ is\ certainly\ being?\ Why\ so?[/TEX]
[TEX]3.\ Thus,\ why\ do\ you\ think\ that\ we\ have\ been\ nearing\ into\ the\ end\ game\ sooner\ itself?\ By\ using\ right\ now\ itself?[/TEX]
[TEX]4.\ Do\ you\ think\ that\ there\ are\ better\ alternative\ moves\ onto\ 20 \ldots \mathbb{N} \times e3\ move,\ or\ rather\ that\ move\ is\ being\ forced\ enough\ move\ line\ for\ us?[/TEX]
[TEX]5.\ I\ will\ certainly\ regret\ for\ the\ loss\ of\ queen,\ bishop\ due\ to\ the\ following\ move\ line [/TEX]
[TEX]being\ especially\ as\ into,\ to\ be\ being\ unmoved\ states\ furthermore,\ albeit,\ [/TEX]
[TEX]although,\ same\ number\ of\ moves\ being\ played,\ into,\ for\ both\ the\ side\ games,\ to\ be\ being\ put\ altogether![/TEX]
[TEX]19 \ldots \mathbb{N}d5\ 20.\ \mathbb{R}bd1\ \mathbb{N} \times e3\ 21.\ \mathbb{R} \times d8\ \mathbb{R}a \times d8\ 22.\ \mathbb{Q}c1\ \mathbb{N} \times f1\ 23.\ \mathbb{B} \times b7\ \mathbb{N}d2\ 24.\ \mathbb{Q}e1 [/TEX]
[TEX]due\ to\ the\ following\ move\ line [/TEX]
[TEX] as\ such,\ as\ since,\ by\ using\ right\ now\ itself [/TEX]
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Old 2013-02-27, 22:23   #4
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[QUOTE=Dubslow;331127]I think it's clear at this point (especially with that side game played) who the best player of the 8 of us is. :smile:

So Nxe3?[/QUOTE]

I don't see anything good so I'll allow it ( though I see a way they can draw the exchange)
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Old 2013-02-28, 05:47   #5
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[QUOTE=Raman;331269]...[/QUOTE]

1) The side game that you and LaurV played, which ended exactly how LaurV said it would.
2) LaurV, because of the side game, and because the white team keeps doing things which LaurV said they would, or which they shouldn't do because of x,y and z, which is what we are now doing.
3) Perhaps I was a bit premature on that. I meant "soon" as in wall clock time, not necessarily in number of moves (i.e. I think the move pace will start picking up).
4) Not really. If we don't take now, we will be worse of materially, not better. LaurV certainly thinks it's a forced line, and I have no reason to doubt him.
5) Perhaps, but their queen is essentially useless and we have two rooks, which are much better positioned/in play.

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Old 2013-02-28, 14:43   #6
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I had been certainly thinking of something like
20...[SIZE=5]♜[/SIZE]f7 21. [SIZE=5]♗[/SIZE]xd5 [SIZE=5]♝[/SIZE]xd5 22. [SIZE=5]♛[/SIZE]d2 [SIZE=5]♜[/SIZE]d7 stuff
in order to keep our own queen into its own
respective place, alone...

Surely that there are no other better move
lines than these, right or not?

okay alright then...

here is being a way onto how to avenge / revenge
our own opponent White side team members for the capture
of our own queen

[SIZE=1]/ bishop being into unmoved states, as such,
as since, By it itself[/SIZE]

[COLOR=White] r r[/COLOR]

move line

20...[SIZE=5]♞[/SIZE]xe3 21. [SIZE=5]♖[/SIZE]xd8 [SIZE=5]♜[/SIZE]axd8 22. [SIZE=5]♕[/SIZE]c1 [SIZE=5]♞[/SIZE]xf1 23. [SIZE=5]♗[/SIZE]xb7 [SIZE=5]♞[/SIZE]d2 24. [SIZE=5]♟[/SIZE]fxe5 [SIZE=5]♜[/SIZE]f1+
25. [SIZE=5]♕[/SIZE]xf1 [SIZE=5]♞[/SIZE]xf1 26. [SIZE=5]♔[/SIZE]xf1 [SIZE=5]♝[/SIZE]xe5 (Black side up an exchange into material ratio factor)
27. [SIZE=5]♗[/SIZE]a6 [SIZE=5]♜[/SIZE]d2 28. [SIZE=5]♗[/SIZE]xc4+ [SIZE=5]♚[/SIZE]g7 29. [SIZE=5]♙[/SIZE]b4 [SIZE=5]♝[/SIZE]xc3 30. [SIZE=5]♘[/SIZE]xc3 [SIZE=5]♜[/SIZE]c2 ...

[COLOR=White] Why so, thus? By it itself[/COLOR]

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Old 2013-02-28, 15:26   #7
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Well, certainly that if in [COLOR=Yellow]to this own[/COLOR] case
we have moved rather preferred into 14...Qc7, 14...Qd7 moves
instead of the 14...e5, 14...fxe4 line ,
[COLOR=Lime]whether[/COLOR] then right now we will not be
forced in order to lose our own queen :smile:
even safeguarding our own light coloured squared bishop over thereby on to its own
respective place, alone...

[COLOR=White]r r[/COLOR][SIZE=1][COLOR=Black]

[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=Black], as such,
as since, By it itself
[/COLOR][/SIZE]

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Old 2013-02-28, 16:52   #8
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[QUOTE=Dubslow;331353]and because the white team keeps doing things which LaurV said they would[/QUOTE]
Actually... this is bad :smile: it means that they have a good player, at least. Or they set us some trap we can't see and fell into it...

Thinking more to it, we still can choose the "safe" version, after 21.Rd1xd8, we may do 21...Ne3xc2 and we play without queens. That version would be fun too (it will go fast to a draw).

If we do 21...Raxd8, they must move the queen, and they have only 3 possibilities, if they don't want to give it for (almost) nothing: 22.Qa4, 22.Qqb1, or 22.Qc1. They are all bad an good in the same time, Qc1 being the stronger.

[B]22.Qa4[/B] develops the queen and puts pressure on c4, b5, a7, but lets the king's corner without defense, in fact they would immediately lose the bishop (better take the bishop in e4 for free, instead of taking the rook in f1 for a horse). This would be their weakest move, I don't believe they will play it. If they do, they are doomed.

[B] 22.Qb1[/B] defends the bishop. If we take first the bishop then the rock, we help them develop their queen very good, in the center of the board, but they will only have a single horse to sustain it. The outcome of this position is difficult to estimate. If we take first the rook, he takes the horse with king (as his bishop is defended). Here again, we have to think if we exchange the bishops (move 23), defend ours, or run away with it. I would prefer to run away, 23...Bc8 is a good one, just to keep their queen in the dark, and forbid them to put it in the middle of the table. If they don't take the knight, but prefer the bishop, 23.BxB7, then we save the knight, 23...Nd2, they must move the queen... this variant is good for us, we might even transform that pawn (depend on their play, and what they want to sacrifice for it).

[B]22.Qc1[/B], this attacks the horse, we are forced to take the rook. They can then choose if capture the bishop in b7 or the knight in f1. Taking the knight would be stupid, as their bishop is not defended and we take it. With two rooks and two bishops against queen and horse, that is easy victory for us. I don't believe they will give it so easy. So, assume they take the bishop, 23.Bxb7 Nd2. This is discussed already, if they take 24.Qe1, or do something else, advance pawns, capture e5, etc, this is as discussed before, it would be our victory. They can't really take that queen out of there so easy, in any of those versions.

The easiest way to take that queen out would be to advance the king in f2 then put the queen in h1. That lose control of our horse, but defend their bishop in b7. This indeed allow them to develop the queen (Qc6, etc) somehow faster, and the king also block our transformation. In this case we still can force them to go to the middle of the screen with the king, and maybe force a draw by playing something like: 24.kf2 e4, 25 Qh1 Be5 26. Kg3 Rd3+ 27. Kg4 Re3 28. fxe5 Rxe2 29.Bd5+ Kg7 30. e6 Rf5, this is not the best line by far, yet they can't transform, and the white king is in the middle of the board, I believe we can get a draw from there, at least. This will be "long" version, we might even lose it here if we aren't careful.

Therefore, as I see that Raman feels convenient with a draw :razz:, we still can take that damn queen 21...Nxc2 and we have a "safe" draw there. We can vote for it if you want. Next week I might be in Singapore (not sure, job) and may not have time for chess. I go to bed now. Nighty night!

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Old 2013-03-01, 08:47   #9
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[QUOTE=Dubslow;331127]I think it's clear at this point (especially with that side game played) who the best player of the 8 of us is. :smile:

So Nxe3?[/QUOTE]
Yes, move that 20...[SIZE=5]♞[/SIZE]xe3 into play line certainly [COLOR=White]but that which[/COLOR] [COLOR=White]some[/COLOR] [COLOR=White]same[/COLOR] [COLOR=White]way[/COLOR]
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Old 2013-03-01, 20:57   #10
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[QUOTE=Dubslow;331127]I think it's clear at this point (especially with that side game played) who the best player of the 8 of us is. :smile:

So Nxe3?[/QUOTE]
Yes , move that 20...[SIZE=5]♞[/SIZE]xe3 into play line certainly[COLOR=White] , but that which some same way [/COLOR]

Last fiddled with by Raman on 2013-03-01 at 21:05 Reason: , by using that way that away alone , returned , return , back again repeatedly , always ,
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Old 2013-03-03, 08:59   #11
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[QUOTE=henryzz;331724] Then I suggest we can play 21.Rxd8 now. Doing it.[/QUOTE]
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