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Old 2021-10-16, 19:12   #23
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Tragedy struck on 11 September.
As a result of terrorist acts, people have died. Many were burned, many were suffocated, many were crushed as a result of the collapse of buildings.
You can play the fool, grimace and taunt it as much as you want, but it does you no honor.

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The attacks on the US performed that day in 2001 were definitely seen as evil by most of the world, but not by everyone obviously. Some thought it was their holy duty.
Don't speak for everyone, speak for yourself.
Which camp do you personally belong to?

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Old 2021-10-16, 19:14   #24
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Tragedy struck on 11 September.
As a result of terrorist acts, people have died. Many were burned, many were suffocated, many were crushed as a result of the collapse of buildings.
You can play the fool, grimace and taunt it as much as you want, but it does you no honor.
It seems to me that it's you playing the fool confusing the date with things that happened on that day 20 years ago.
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Old 2021-10-16, 19:25   #25
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Loss, pain and suffering are not evil. They are what they are. For humans, they are essential. We cannot grow and develop without them.

Some would argue that causing loss, pain or suffering is evil. But that's a very narrow view. It really depends on the exact situation as to whether people would consider it evil.
Are these your words?

As you asked, I pointed out to you an exact situation on which I would like to know not someone's outside opinion about whether this is evil or not, but yours personally. Please don't dodge.

9/11 tragedies, pain, suffering, loss - is it evil or not?
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Old 2021-10-16, 19:46   #26
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Are these your words?

As you asked, I pointed out to you an exact situation on which I would like to know not someone's outside opinion about whether this is evil or not, but yours personally. Please don't dodge.

9/11 tragedies, pain, suffering, loss - is it evil or not?
I don't believe in evil in exactly the way you refer to.

Do I think the pain and loss and suffering was evil? No.

Do I think the acts that led to it (specifically the attacks on the US) were? Yes. But many of the acts that followed in response were worse.

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Do I think the acts that led to it were? Yes.
Thanks. I see no reason to continue this demagogy on the bones.
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Old 2021-10-16, 20:26   #28
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I don't think this is actually a good place to leave it.

While I think the attacks on the US on 9/11/2001 were evil, I think that's a relatively small evil on the scale of things. Even though it has had far reaching impact, and the scale of the tragedy in terms of human life was large when compared to something like a random school shooting, but it was actually relatively small compared to things that happen almost every day.

The fact that it happened to "nice white people" and a lot of them at the same time and very visibly is why people think of it as one of the worst things that's happened, but it's just not true.
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Just in case, for travelers lost in the labyrinth of their intellect, I will remind you of what this thread is about and the question from which it began.

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What is the greatest evil?
It can be a feature, phenomenon, event, being, any definition that, in your opinion, has already harmed, harms or may harm humanity or life on Earth, and maybe even in the whole Universe.
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Old 2021-10-16, 21:18   #30
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It's hard to provide a direct answer to the original question. I'm not certain that humans are actually important in the universe (we want to think we are, of course). So I'm uncertain that any human tragedy rates on the scale of things.

We are currently the most destructive force on this planet. The planet is now undergoing a mass extinction that will soon rival the previous ones, which we are causing both directly and indirectly. We may even ultimately be responsible for our own demise. If that happens, though, I'm sure the universe, the earth and life in general will get along fine w/o us.

Bringing the scale back in closer to home - right now the greatest evil is probably being perpetrated out of sight. Most of our really large scale evil isn't immediately in the limelight. Facebook recently revealed that it is knowingly evil and on a scale that's possibly destructive to all modern society.
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Old 2021-10-16, 22:10   #31
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Just in case, for travelers lost in the labyrinth of their intellect, I will remind you of what this thread is about and the question from which it began.
Hidden agendas and peoples button-pushing notwithstanding, from a theological point of view the issue of the evil in creation has been debated for eons, resulting in continuous flip flop in theology/ideology.
From a religious point of view as indicated in the dead dog's example:
* God is the ultimate Good-Force and thus has not created any evil
* Then, what about all the calamities of wars and disasters? That can't be good.
* Oh that, the Devil is responsible for all that. Not God.
* So if god has created everything, he must have created the devil. I thought he didn't create any evil.
* No devil is separate from God
* God created everything that there is
.......

As for my opinion, there is no evil/goodness. They are just meaningless words/labels. Things are what they are regardless of what we label them. The definition of goodness and evil are vague/relative at best.

Just my 2 cents

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Just my 2 cents
Perhaps so. But if you are asked to choose one of two - to be rich and healthy or poor and sick, then you will most likely choose the first one.

And I have already asked some people here not to be hypocritical.
https://www.mersenneforum.org/showth...782#post590782

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Old 2021-10-17, 13:05   #33
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So are inanimate objects, such as asteroids, considered evil if they are a threat the life on earth? Per your definition, you must think that they are.

IMO evil and good imply intent.

Humans are far more evil than any inanimate objects for the simple reason that I believe that evil and good are the result of choices we make.
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