New PC - x64 Windows

Prime95 · 2005-09-21, 01:01

To anyone considering upgrading to x64 Windows at some point in time, be prepared to lose access to some of your favorite programs.

a) There are no anti-virus programs available.
b) EPSILON - the DOS editor I've used for 15 years - does not run. I'm changing to XEmacs. My fingers will be tied in knots until I get used to the changes!
c) My favorite database program, Q+E a.k.a. DataDirect Explorer a.k.a. Vision Explorer, is a 16-bit Windows program. It too doesn't work. I'm trying to locate a 32-bit version but I am not hopeful.

paulunderwood · 2005-09-21, 01:26

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a) There are no anti-virus programs available

http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html

Xyzzy · 2005-09-21, 13:52

Isn't there a compatibility mode for older (DOS or 16-bit) programs? Or do these programs access the hardware in a weird way?

Dresdenboy · 2005-09-21, 14:43

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Originally Posted by Xyzzy

Isn't there a compatibility mode for older (DOS or 16-bit) programs? Or do these programs access the hardware in a weird way?

The 64bit mode of x86-64 doesn't inlcude support of 16 bit program segments.

Strange, but working, would be the use of a 32 bit windows on a x86 emulator.. However, this would be very slow, but probably fast enough for 16 bit software.

akruppa · 2005-09-21, 16:21

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Originally Posted by Dresdenboy

The 64bit mode of x86-64 doesn't inlcude support of 16 bit program segments.

Does this mean that DOS apps don't run in dosemu under x86-64 Linux?

Alex

ColdFury · 2005-09-21, 17:13

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Originally Posted by Xyzzy

Isn't there a compatibility mode for older (DOS or 16-bit) programs? Or do these programs access the hardware in a weird way?

WindowsXP includes a virtual machine that 16-bit apps run within.

Prime95 · 2005-09-22, 03:03

All I can tell you is that some of the DOS programs I use regularly do not run - epsilon being the biggie. All the others are replaceable.

I found a 32-bit Q+E - it produces the database summaries. Unfortunately, x64 Windows won't load my 32-bit ODBC drivers.

olmari · 2005-09-23, 19:52

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Originally Posted by Prime95

All I can tell you is that some of the DOS programs I use regularly do not run - epsilon being the biggie. All the others are replaceable.

I found a 32-bit Q+E - it produces the database summaries. Unfortunately, x64 Windows won't load my 32-bit ODBC drivers.

Use VMWare or such?

Prime95 · 2005-09-23, 21:57

I hacked my registry to get Q+E working.

I can't live without that tool.

I've been remapping XEmacs keys to match epsilon. This will minimize the transition pain. As you saw yesterday, I updated the master database using my new machine.

For the most part x64 Windows has been a relatively painless transition.

Oh, a new minor glitch. The dancing banana looks like its overdosed on speed. Firefox is running animated GIFs at full speed!

Xyzzy · 2005-09-24, 03:56

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Originally Posted by Prime95

The dancing banana looks like its overdosed on speed. Firefox is running animated GIFs at full speed!

They move?

I guess I need an upgrade...

2005-09-21, 01:01	#1
Prime95 P90 years forever! Aug 2002 Yeehaw, FL 7,309 Posts	New PC - x64 Windows To anyone considering upgrading to x64 Windows at some point in time, be prepared to lose access to some of your favorite programs. a) There are no anti-virus programs available. b) EPSILON - the DOS editor I've used for 15 years - does not run. I'm changing to XEmacs. My fingers will be tied in knots until I get used to the changes! c) My favorite database program, Q+E a.k.a. DataDirect Explorer a.k.a. Vision Explorer, is a 16-bit Windows program. It too doesn't work. I'm trying to locate a 32-bit version but I am not hopeful.

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2005-09-21, 13:52	#3
Xyzzy "Mike" Aug 2002 1F09₁₆ Posts	Isn't there a compatibility mode for older (DOS or 16-bit) programs? Or do these programs access the hardware in a weird way?

2005-09-22, 03:03	#7
Prime95 P90 years forever! Aug 2002 Yeehaw, FL 7,309 Posts	All I can tell you is that some of the DOS programs I use regularly do not run - epsilon being the biggie. All the others are replaceable. I found a 32-bit Q+E - it produces the database summaries. Unfortunately, x64 Windows won't load my 32-bit ODBC drivers.

2005-09-23, 21:57	#9
Prime95 P90 years forever! Aug 2002 Yeehaw, FL 7,309 Posts	I hacked my registry to get Q+E working. I can't live without that tool. I've been remapping XEmacs keys to match epsilon. This will minimize the transition pain. As you saw yesterday, I updated the master database using my new machine. For the most part x64 Windows has been a relatively painless transition. Oh, a new minor glitch. The dancing banana looks like its overdosed on speed. Firefox is running animated GIFs at full speed!