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Old 2020-09-21, 15:42   #23
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Remember to gear up your Get Out the Votes operations.

African Americans will want to Vote Early as previously stated by Barack Obama. This election is entering the more crucial stage.

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Old 2020-09-21, 15:55   #24
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I'm stealing this from twitter, again.

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This just occurred to me: when standing in line to vote DO NOT WEAR ANYTHING REMOTELY POLITICAL. No BLM tees, no RBG buttons. Don’t give any reason for getting pulled out of line. See the @ACLU
abt your voting rights. #BidenHarris #RBGRevolution
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Old 2020-09-22, 00:21   #25
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I'm stealing this from twitter, again.
Wear whatever tshirt you like, as long as it's well covered, and not with a white dress shirt.
Just to be safe, wear your GIMPS tshirt and leave them wondering what it means.
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Old 2020-09-22, 00:23   #26
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https://reason.com/2020/07/06/the-fa...tional-crisis/ and other previously posted content will make the battle over RBG's chair very important.
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Old 2020-09-22, 01:08   #27
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Could you please tell me where in the US Constitution assault rifles are a guaranteed right?

Muskets are different things...
Since you asked, it's in "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Infringed does not mean only totally eliminated. It also refers to encroach, restrict, etc. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/infringe
Notice how it does not say "unless an official, relative or neighbor is afraid of arms." Some of the Founders or their contemporaries personally owned CANNON, the weapon of mass destruction of their day. Franklin was an amateur scientist, Jefferson very interested in education and technical advancement. Surely they understood there would be technological advance in the future, as there had been for centuries before. The Founders' grandparents could have owned Kalthoff repeaters, capable of firing a round every second or two up to as many as dozens, before reloading the powder magazine or ball compartment. Other mulitiround designs were also known, in long guns. Pepperboxes were known long before, also (precursor to the modern revolver.) A single shot muzzleloader is a very serious misrepresentation of the state of the art at the time of the US founding. Those who claim single shot time-consumingly muzzle-loaded smoothbore muskets were the context for and extent of the second amendment are either badly uninformed or being intentionally misleading. A wide variety of arms were available long before our constitution's authors were born. Spiral rifled barrels date to around 1500 (page 50); early revolvers in the 1500s (page 61); 8 rounds stacked in one barrel (Fig. 53 on page 66); breech loading began before 1550 (page 98); detonating powders such as are used in modern percussion primers were known around 1700 (page 107).
The Gun and Its Development
https://books.google.com/books?id=LA...ent%22&f=false
rapidly self-reloading rifles, known examples dating to 1660, 6, 7, 12, even 30 rounds, "Typical reload time was one or two seconds" http://firearmshistory.blogspot.com/...-repeater.html
http://firearmshistory.blogspot.com/...-revolver.html
Compare those dates to Columbus finding America 1492, Magellan circumnavigating the globe 1519-1522, Jamestown colony 1607, the American colonies Declaration of Independence 1776, Articles of Confederation created 1777 & ratified 1781, US Constitution created 1787, ratified 1788, effective 1789.
Also note that in those days people who were violent and insane were institutionalized, not left to roam free and nominally medicated as many seriously mentally ill are now, including many with a documented history of violence. (The state of the art of medicine in general was not great then or for long after, and mental health "treatment" shared that grim state. https://www.the-hospitalist.org/hosp...lonial-america) Trials for violent crimes and sentences for those found guilty both tended to be prompt.
I doubt any of the preceding will change many minds, but I think it is a good thing that people be aware of the actual chronology.

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Old 2020-09-22, 01:48   #28
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The text reads as follows "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Although the first amendment guarantees freedom of speech, it does not mean that the freedom is absolute (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech). I struggle to believe that the phrase "not be infringed" should be interpreted as absolute either. It seems to me that your argument is to "lock them up" with "them" being anyone the state decides shouldn't have access to firearms. We see people today using firearms to threaten those whose speech they disagree with. I'm guessing that the next Supreme Court will be faced with determining whose rights take precedence. It scares me to believe that SCOTUS may decide that people with guns have rights that are superior to those without guns.
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Yeah, not thrilled with the prospect of Soviet style misuse of decrees of mental illness for political purposes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi...e_Soviet_Union, nor abuse of red flag laws which provide little or no due process protection, with the subject's first notice sometimes being the SWAT team on full adrenaline at the door to confiscate all weapons, with a significant fatality rate for the subjects. Nor people like Adam Lanza doing what he did including to his own mother. It also went badly for Adam. Jared Loughner's father tried to stop him before he went to Gabby Gifford's event. Among the standard questions when putting someone on a 72 hour emergency medical hold is what weapons they possess when they are obviously seriously and acutely mentally ill and on the street. Errors inevitably occur sometimes in determining for patients the "least restrictive conditions necessary". Organizations like NAMI worked hard to ensure that public policy relating to the mentally ill was was not as susceptible to abuse as it once was.

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Old 2020-09-22, 12:22   #30
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Yeah, not thrilled with the prospect of Soviet style misuse of decrees of mental illness for political purposes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi...e_Soviet_Union, nor abuse of red flag laws which provide little or no due process protection, with the subject's first notice sometimes being the SWAT team on full adrenaline at the door to confiscate all weapons, with a significant fatality rate for the subjects. Nor people like Adam Lanza doing what he did including to his own mother. It also went badly for Adam. Jared Loughner's father tried to stop him before he went to Gabby Gifford's event. Among the standard questions when putting someone on a 72 hour emergency medical hold is what weapons they possess when they are obviously seriously and acutely mentally ill and on the street. Errors inevitably occur sometimes in determining for patients the "least restrictive conditions necessary". Organizations like NAMI worked hard to ensure that public policy relating to the mentally ill was was not as susceptible to abuse as it once was.
In your opinion, should there be limits on who (amongst those who are freely roaming the streets) can have firearms? Should there be limits on the types of firearms that are available to the public?
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Yeah, not thrilled with the prospect of Soviet style misuse of decrees of mental illness for political purposes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi...e_Soviet_Union, nor abuse of red flag laws which provide little or no due process protection, with the subject's first notice sometimes being the SWAT team on full adrenaline at the door to confiscate all weapons, with a significant fatality rate for the subjects.
In the here and now, I am more concerned about street thugs, under color of "exercising their Second Amendment rights," threatening and intimidating, or trying to intimidate, their fellow-citizens, as I mentioned a while back in this post. You may remember during the 2016 campaign, supporters of Il Duce volunteering to act as armed poll-watchers...

BTW, why do you say things "went badly" for Adam Lanza? He committed suicide. Do you mean it have been better had he done so before killing his mother and all those little kids?
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Old 2020-10-01, 22:17   #32
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I really enjoy what Debate Moderator Chris Wallace has said about President Trump in the 3rd paragraph from the attached image below.

How many of you would eat that cake during the debate night?
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Old 2020-10-01, 22:33   #33
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BTW, why do you say things "went badly" for Adam Lanza? He committed suicide. Do you mean it (would) have been better had he done so before killing his mother and all those little kids?
And for the school staff too. Adam Lanza had a right to the least restrictive environment suitable, and it appears that was misjudged, and it ended up killing him, and a lot of others. Ideally though we would have more effective ways of identifying the severely ill and treating them more effectively. In a previous century he may have been institutionalized and physically unable to harm anyone except perhaps institution orderlies in a brawl. In a future decade or century a similar person may receive more effective treatment and be no undue threat to themselves or others as a result of the illness he had. There's a great deal we (in aggregate) don't understand about the workings of the brain. I remain hopeful that progress will continue in this area of medicine.

There's a saying, doctors bury their mistakes, lawyers' get locked away, but engineers' errors sometimes end up on the company's front lawn.

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