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Old 2020-07-25, 04:01   #23
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Maybe v30 should be called Prime10

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Old 2020-07-25, 05:07   #24
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That's just a meaning of important update, not means we should call it security update.
I never mean that everyone should update to new version, but some with machines that get "LL-first test" option. I do believe that most this kind of users don't want to contribute their machines to pure DC work, and that's the problem that should be solved, since most of their machines are capable of first time work, and they chose first time work, but they got all DC work now.
Yes, it's common sense that such kind of volunteer project should encourage people to participant, for example, we stop assigning LL-first test assignment, but shouldn't stop accepting LL first time results.
Moreover, that's totally different with what Microsoft did, and not a good idea for some to quote out of context and call it deceiving and ashamed.

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Old 2020-07-25, 06:21   #25
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It's indeed that there shouldn't be automatically update for this kind of software. But this is an important update that can be seen as necessary security update.
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Calling v30 a "security update" is quite a stretch.
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That's just a meaning of important update, not means we should call it security update.....
Moreover, that's totally different with what Microsoft did, and not a good idea for some to quote out of context and call it deceiving and ashamed.
You are not being quoted out of context. You poach assignments and you want to force software onto people's machines. That is not how this project runs. This is a project that is founded in part on having fun. Shoving unneeded "security updates" on to people's machines is not fun. Making milestones is fun. Poaching to do it is not fun. You don't seem to understand the ethos of the project.

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Old 2020-07-25, 06:55   #26
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You are not being quoted out of context. You poach assignments and you want to force software onto people's machines. That is not how this project runs. This is a project that is founded in part on having fun. Shoving unneeded "security updates" on to people's machines is not fun. Making milestones is fun. Poaching to do it is not fun. You don't seem to understand the ethos of the project.
I didn't mean George quoted out of context. My last sentence "Moreover, that's totally different with what Microsoft did, and not a good idea for some to quote out of context and call it deceiving and ashamed" that's clearly not refer to George.

As for poaching, I've explained in this post: https://www.mersenneforum.org/showpo...postcount=3294
If you have any suggestion or feedback, please reply or PM me.


"Shoving unneeded "security updates" on to people's machines is not fun"
As I've decribed for several times, some kind of user may don't want to contribute their machine to do pure DC work. I believe most of them prefer to get a convenient way (not necessarily automatic update, that's just a proposal, and if not feasible, there may be other measures) to update to newer versions rather than do DC work. And "security update" is just a metaphor, so my expressions in this post may be unclear.

"and you want to force software onto people's machines" I never mean this. Again, I just believe that most this kind of user prefer to get a convenient way (not necessarily automatic update, that's just a proposal, and if not feasible, there may be other measures) to update to newer versions rather than do DC work. I just pointed out the problem, and more measures should be taken.

"You don't seem to understand the ethos of the project" Nope. You seem misunderstood what I meant.

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Old 2020-07-25, 10:16   #27
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What I propose is that I believe this is indeed a problem, as many this kind of user prefer to do first test, and they may not want to contribute their machines to pure DC work. I believe some measures need to be taken to guarantee the right of this kind of users.
I'm not a fraudster and I'm trying hard to express what I mean. If I was a fraudster, I won't trying hard to explain this so many times. I'm not native English speaker so there may be some misunderstanding, I'm really sorry for that.
I believe some people that questioned my intention are also aim to the users right and the good ongoing of this project, and our aims are not different. It's the common sense that there should be encouragement for participants in this kind of volunteer project, and many other things, of course I know these.

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Old 2020-07-25, 14:06   #28
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What is the estimate for the # of outstanding LL DC tests?
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What is the estimate for the # of outstanding LL DC tests?
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Rough order of magnitude estimate 650000
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Old 2020-07-25, 15:12   #30
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And https://www.mersenne.org/report_milestones/ typically gives counts to the Mersenne primes not yet fully double checked beneath. Currently that says
  • Countdown to verifying all tests below M(57 885 161): 60 635
  • Countdown to verifying all tests below M(74 207 281): 368 749
  • Countdown to verifying all tests below M(77 232 917): 424 809
  • Countdown to verifying all tests below M(82 589 933): 523 697
At the rate we're going currently, we'll remove the asterisk from Mp48* soon, perhaps next year.
More first-time LL results coming in continue to add, while matching LLDCs subtract, from the total.

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Old 2020-07-25, 17:02   #31
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What I propose is that I believe this is indeed a problem, as many this kind of user prefer to do first test, and they may not want to contribute their machines to pure DC work. I believe some measures need to be taken to guarantee the right of this kind of users.
I'm not a fraudster and I'm trying hard to express what I mean
I do not believe you are a fraudster. I do believe there are some English language issues that may be exacerbating the discussion.

I get your point that some (most) users do not want to do 100% DC work. Those users will have the option to upgrade to v30 in a reasonable time frame. IMO, forced upgrade is not the preferred solution.

As to poaching, please don't. The server has rules in place to make sure milestones are achieved at a steady pace. Poaching needlessly annoys (enrages?) a fellow GIMPS user.
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Old 2020-07-26, 03:08   #32
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I do not believe you are a fraudster. I do believe there are some English language issues that may be exacerbating the discussion.

I get your point that some (most) users do not want to do 100% DC work. Those users will have the option to upgrade to v30 in a reasonable time frame. IMO, forced upgrade is not the preferred solution.

As to poaching, please don't. The server has rules in place to make sure milestones are achieved at a steady pace. Poaching needlessly annoys (enrages?) a fellow GIMPS user.
The main point is even users have no response after a resonable time frame, that doesn't mean they want to contribute their machines for pure DC work either. They may prefer their mprime to be updated automatically and continue to do first-time test work rather than this. So I propose this idea. I would like to see the discussion on the actual feasibility(and yes, it seems not feasible), or some more measures, rather than put signs on me as fraudster and assert that I want to tell lies to deceive user to update. If this can help with the problem, of course I would like to be ashamed...

As for poaching, the situation mentioned hardly happens, and this doesn't mean when I saw some active assignments left I'll poach to achieve milestones. The milestones themselves don't make sense for me either. Since this is not relevant to the topic, and I've already explained elsewhere, I'll not mention more here.

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I would like to see the discussion on the actual feasibility(and yes, it seems not feasible),
You have hijacked this thread enough. Go elsewhere.
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