20051207, 19:22  #1 
Aug 2002
Buenos Aires, Argentina
1356_{10} Posts 
LucasLehmer Test proof
I was reading more carefully to the LucasLehmer Test proof presented in the Mersennewiki and I found that it is not a proof at all.
After the introduction there is the sentence "We are assuming that is divisible by . " If we compute S_{1} = 4, ..., until S_{p1} = 0 we know that it is prime because we are assuming it (?????) 
20051207, 22:05  #2  
"Phil"
Sep 2002
Tracktown, U.S.A.
3×373 Posts 
Quote:
There are two parts to the proof. One part is to show that if is prime, then is divisible by . The other part of the proof is to show that if is divisible by , then is prime. Because this second part guarantees that candidates passing the LucasLehmer test are actually prime, and because it assumes very little background in number theory, I placed it first. Notice that the conclusion of this paragraph is that is prime. It guarantees that composite numbers will always fail the LucasLehmer test, but doesn't necessarily prove that all prime numbers pass it. The proof that all prime numbers pass the LL test is the point of the third paragraph. It does require a little knowledge of quadratic reciprocity, and was placed last for that reason. 

20051208, 17:06  #3 
Aug 2002
Buenos Aires, Argentina
2^{2}×3×113 Posts 
So the proof is OK, but the paragraphs are reversed. I think the last paragraph should be first, so after that we can safely assume that S_{p1} because it was proved in the previous paragraph.

20051208, 22:05  #4 
"Phil"
Sep 2002
Tracktown, U.S.A.
3·373 Posts 
Perhaps the second and third paragraphs should be labeled "Proof of Sufficiency" and "Proof of Necessity". There is no logical reason that either paragraph must come before the other because the two proofs are logically independent; i.e, neither depends upon the results of the other. However, each proof does make use of the set of numbers , and if you find a compelling pedagogical reason to switch the paragraphs, you certainly have my permission.

20051209, 20:42  #5 
Aug 2002
Buenos Aires, Argentina
10101001100_{2} Posts 
I exchanged the proofs and also replaced in Rosen's proof the letter Q by F, because the variable Q was used in Bruce's proof as 2^{p}  1, so it is clear that they are different values.

20051209, 21:44  #6 
"Phil"
Sep 2002
Tracktown, U.S.A.
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Thanks, the main problem that I see is that the properties of the numbers are not discussed until the sufficiency proof, but these properties actually get used in the necessity proof. Also the phrase "From the previous proof" in the second sentence of the sufficiency proof needs to be removed. The sufficiency proof does not depend at all on the necessity proof, and this phrase is extremely misleading. Sufficiency means that if the LL test is satisfied for some prime exponent p, then 2^{p}  1 is prime. Necessity means that if 2^{p}  1 is prime, then the LL test is satisfied. Each proof is completely independent of the other. Unfortunately, the necessity proof now seems very unclear, because much of the notation that is used there does not get introduced until the second proof. If I get time over school break, I may try to fix this.

20051209, 23:42  #7 
Aug 2002
Buenos Aires, Argentina
2514_{8} Posts 
I still fail to see why the proof of sufficiency does not depend on the other proof, since it starts assuming the "output" of the proof of necessity: is multiple of .
It appears that the text should be reworked a bit. I will continue reading it. 
20051210, 18:35  #9 
Aug 2002
Buenos Aires, Argentina
54C_{16} Posts 
I added some steps to the proof and now it is "crystal clear" to me.

20051211, 01:10  #10 
"Phil"
Sep 2002
Tracktown, U.S.A.
3·373 Posts 
Suppose one proved that if a, b, and c are the lengths of the sides of a right triangle with c the side opposite the right angle, then a^{2}+b^{2}=c^{2}. Now suppose one proved that if a, b, and c are the lengths of the sides of any triangle and a^{2}+b^{2}=c^{2}, then the angle opposite the side of length c must be a right angle. Even though the second proof starts by assuming the formula proven in the first proof, one cannot say in general that the second proof depends on the first. Each of the theorems assumes as input the output of the other theorem. The two theorems are converses, and in general, a theorem may be true even though the converse theorem may be false. Of course, in some cases, the proof of a converse may be dependent on the truth of the original theorem, and Euclid does in fact prove the converse to the Pythagorean theorem by SSS congruence using the Pythagorean theorem itself (Book I, theorems 47 and 48), but I challenge you to show me where the proof of sufficiency of the LucasLehmer tests depends upon the proof of necessity. The fact that there is some common notation between the two proofs may have confused you, but look at the sufficiency proof alone: it simply says that IF S_{p1} is divisible by 2^{p}1, THEN 2^{p}1 is prime. The statement that S_{p1} is divisible by 2^{p}1 is the supposition of the theorem, and in no way is justified by the necessity piece, which assumed that 2^{p}1 is prime anyway. Here we cannot assume this, it is what must be proven.

20051211, 21:15  #11 
Aug 2002
Buenos Aires, Argentina
54C_{16} Posts 
Arggghhh!!! I was wrong, the fact that is divisible by , is the hypotesis of the proof.
I changed the wording again. Please let me know if there are errors. 
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