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Old 2010-03-12, 12:06   #1
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Question 711 LL-tests in the 100 million digits range?

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  Exponent Range    | Composite  | Status Unproven  |        Assigned         |        Available        |
   Start   Count  P |   F   LL-D | LL   LLERR NO-LL |  TF    P-1   LL   LL-D  |  TF    P-1   LL   LL-D  |
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 332000000 51080    | 28724                   22356 |   337         711       | 21308                   |
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I am fairly certain that that number is false in part. I have had TF assignments show up as LL in my assignment report. There have been slowly rising numbers of people/cpu's working on the LL's. The incentive of the EFF award is a large draw. There was a large draw to the 10M digit range for years before the leading edge got anywhere close.
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Old 2010-03-12, 19:42   #3
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I am fairly certain that that number is false in part. I have had TF assignments show up as LL in my assignment report. There have been slowly rising numbers of people/cpu's working on the LL's. The incentive of the EFF award is a large draw. There was a large draw to the 10M digit range for years before the leading edge got anywhere close.
I think they are right - I have 4 LL tests running and had 3 others before my harddisk crash (where I hadn't saved the directory files in the right time). I think some of them will expire soon ...

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Old 2010-03-12, 23:53   #4
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Keep in mind that an exponent could be assigned as type "LL", but because the TF and P-1 had not actually been done prior to the assignment, the assignee is actually still in the "implied" TF or P-1 phase. That is, their assignment line is "Test=", but the TF parameter (e.g. ",68," where the default limit for that range is 77) and P-1 parameter (",0,") are shown on that line as having not yet been fully done. That LL assignment would be counted as "LL" on the status display even when the TF and P-1 "implied" phases are in progress and the actual LL test has not yet started.

Or is this irrelevant to what you're asking about?

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Old 2010-03-13, 00:09   #5
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Or is this irrelevant to what you're asking about?
I am talking about expos that are assigned and register to me (by hand) as TF's to a bit depth below the P-1 kick in. I chose the expo, registered it with "Factor=....,6x,7x" or the like and looked at my assignments on-line later and it shows that it is assigned as LL. I then checked and see that on the computer, no, it is TF.
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I am talking about expos that are assigned and register to me (by hand) as TF's to a bit depth below the P-1 kick in. I chose the expo, registered it with "Factor=....,6x,7x" or the like and looked at my assignments on-line later and it shows that it is assigned as LL. I then checked and see that on the computer, no, it is TF.
So, when PrimeNet finds out you've arrogated such work to yourself without its explicit direction and permission, or your prior submission of application for its assignment, it figures that you should henceforth bear the responsibility of completing what it sees as the whole task. That's the price of uppityness.

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To add a helpful link instead of just berating him like cheesehead...
You could've reserved them in advance at http://www.mersenne.org/manual_assignment/
As it is, it'd probably be easiest to just do and report the TF then make sure PrimeNet knows you don't intend to continue.

And, when done responsibly, adding a line to the work file and seeing the response from PrimeNet is an acceptable way to let PrimeNet know about your work. And Prime95/PrimeNet should've properly registered his Factor= line as a TF and not an LL.

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So, when PrimeNet finds out you've arrogated such work to yourself without its explicit direction and permission, or your prior submission of application for its assignment, it figures that you should henceforth bear the responsibility of completing what it sees as the whole task. That's the price of uppityness.
When I said by hand, I meant by the new proper LMH method. I figured that you knew that. http://www.mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=11308
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Good grief. Must I add a smiley to every tongue-in-cheek mock-pompous paragraph I post? :-)

Answer: Yes, if I want not to run the risk of being occasionally misunderstood in a text-only medium, I must!!!!

My bad.

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To add a helpful link instead of just berating him like cheesehead...
You could've reserved them in advance at http://www.mersenne.org/manual_assignment/
Actually, Uncwilly used a quite acceptable method.

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Prime95/PrimeNet should've properly registered his Factor= line as a TF and not an LL.
I agree.

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When I said by hand, I meant by the new proper LMH method.
I realized that, but chose to acknowledge it in such an indirect way that those not hearing the tone of the voice in which I conceived the response (i.e., everyone) would probably misunderstand my intent unless they had long been accustomed to my dry humor.

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I figured that you knew that.
I apologize for not having made that clear in my response. It was my responsibility to recall that my favorite type of humor doesn't go over well in text unless accompanied by some visible indication of humorous intent.

... where you explained the method far more clearly than the manner in which I tried to acknowledge it just now. I resolve to try being clearer in the future.

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I am fairly certain that that number is false in part. I have had TF assignments show up as LL in my assignment report. There have been slowly rising numbers of people/cpu's working on the LL's. The incentive of the EFF award is a large draw. There was a large draw to the 10M digit range for years before the leading edge got anywhere close.
I think that somebody takes your 100M number is fairly unlikely. There are enough 100M digit numbers to test for everybody ^^ ...
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