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Old 2014-06-09, 12:02   #1
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According to http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...-is-human.html a program has managed to fool a third of the human judges that it was a 13-year old boy.

There's a bit of journalistic hyperbole, IMO, in that I'd want a success rate greater than 1/3 but it's progress nonetheless.
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Old 2014-06-09, 13:21   #2
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There's a bit of journalistic hyperbole, IMO ...
Your assessment is somewhat hypobolic.
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Old 2014-06-09, 14:22   #3
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Your assessment is somewhat hypobolic.
I dispute that claim. Hypobole requires that several alternatives be provided whereas I made only a single simple claim.

I believe I employed "meiosis", perhaps best defined as "rhetorical understatement". It is a subset of irony with a distinctively Socratic flavour.

Nonetheless, I enjoyed your cute pun and faux etymology.

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Old 2014-06-09, 16:02   #4
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According to the author Alex G. Bell. there was an instance of a machine running the ELIZA program which passed the Turing test way back in the 1960s in a "conversation" which apparently lasted 10 minutes. Admittedly, this program could never pass the test nowadays, and its success then was presumably attributable to the relative unfamiliarity with the capabilities of computer programs back in those days.

I posted it here once before:

http://www.mersenneforum.org/showpost.php?p=174326

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Alex G. Bell, in his 1978 book "The Machine Plays Chess?", recalls an amusing account of one of the very earliest programs (ELIZA) which could apparently carry on a conversation in English even though it had no idea what it was "talking" about. In this incident Eliza "passed the Turing test with flying colours".

Apparently a student went into the AI office of his technology institute in 1968 to use one of the online teletypes as they were known in those days. There was one apparently free but the terminal had a notice taped on it reading "computer time reserved by Dan Bobrow".

The student sat down and tried to link to Bobrow's home terminal. Thinking he had succeeded, but having in fact linked to Eliza, he had the following conversation:
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Student: May I use your computer time?

Answer: Do you want to use my computer time?

Student: Yes.

Answer: I understand.

Student: Are you coming in tonight?

Answer: Why do you want to know if I am coming in tonight?

Student: Because I want to use the computer!!!

Answer: I see.

Student: Well?

Answer: What do you mean, "Well"?

Student: Well, what's your answer?

Answer: Let's explore further why you want to use the computer.
Bell recounts that this conversation continued for a further 10 minutes with increasing frustration on the student's part, after which he rushed to a telephone and dialled Bobrow's home number, rousing him from sleep.

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Bobrow: What do you mean, what the heck do I think I'm doing?
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Old 2014-06-09, 19:20   #5
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Turing's paper specifies no such arbitrary limit as "30%". Also, writing a code that pretends to be a Cartman (or a Beavis/Butt-Head) is too easy. Which is in a way what the program's authors did (together with manipulistic play on the Ukrainian/Russian current relations this rather stinks. "Eugene Goostman, a poor Jewish boy from Odessa", - oh, please, can we get some more stereotypes?* I bet that they trained their initial AI to pretend to be Borat.)

I suspect that the Turing's question was: "can we distinguish a clever machine from a clever human", rather than "can we distinguish a machine that pretends to be a moron from a moron?" I am surprised that they were able to "defeat the second question" with only 33% accuracy.

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Old 2014-06-09, 21:29   #6
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According to http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...-is-human.html a program has managed to fool a third of the human judges that it was a 13-year old boy.
Yes, but does it come in a blow-up-doll model?
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Old 2014-06-09, 23:01   #7
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Yes, but does it come in a blow-up-doll model?
Try

http://shopoza.com/
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Old 2014-06-10, 03:04   #8
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I suspect that the Turing's question was: "can we distinguish a clever machine from a clever human", rather than "can we distinguish a machine that pretends to be a moron from a moron?"
Wonderful! I want to use this as a motto :D
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Old 2014-06-10, 03:07   #9
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Sh!t, you should say that is NSFW!
OTOH, I am surprised to see what kinda links our RDS knew...
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Sh!t, you should say that is NSFW!
OTOH, I am surprised to see what kinda links our RDS knew...
I'm not surprised, even though this link only demonstrates awareness of the site. Why should you suppose that RDS is locked in the proverbial ivory tower, and is utterly naive about the big bad world outside?

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OTOH, I am surprised to see what kinda links our RDS knew...
In a world where Google exists it is not hard to find a link to almost anything.
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