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2020-08-11, 19:14   #67
xilman
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 Originally Posted by xilman Note that this time I have used alternative representations for twenty, thirty, forty and fifty.
To be rather more accurate, for forty and fifty.

Consult the Unicode standard for the symbols for twenty and thirty.

2020-08-11, 19:16   #68
xilman
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 Originally Posted by tuckerkao I play the piano all the time, there are exactly 1 dozen of unique keys within an octave. Easier to transpose the music to another key using the dozenal math. The metric systems can be integrated into different bases as well as long its the 10 of that specific base. The dozenal Celsius seems to have more precision as in between the decimal Celsius and decimal Fahrenheit.
You use a Western musical scale.

You are showing one of your cultural biases.

2020-08-11, 20:04   #69
tuckerkao

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 Originally Posted by Uncwilly You appear to be in conflict with yourself. You advocate a base 12 system. Then you advocate a base 10 system to measure. And you point out the one base 12 unit of measure as supposedly inferior.
I want to use the dozenal metric system if possible where each length unit is dozens of quantity longer, so [dozenal] 1,000 or [decimal] 1,728 multiples from a meter to a kilowolf-meter.

The metric system can be integrated in with the 10, 100, 1000, 1/10, 1/100, 1/1000 of any given base.

The worse part of the foot and inch system is that what are the units of 1/dozen of an inch? What are dozen feet, dozen square feet, dozen cube feet? A mile is not [dozenal] 1,000 or [decimal] 1,728 feet(or yard).

Also 1 pound is not equal to 1 dozen ounce. I want the dozenal type of weight system such as 1 kilowolf-gram = [dozenal] 1,000 or [decimal] 1,728 grams.

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 Originally Posted by xilman Oh, for \$DEITY's sake: cuneiform sexagesimal is a positional system. You express large numbers using exactly the same procedure as most people do with decimal.3 :58:8:58:49:13:0:5:0:11:6:40
The uneven width of all the numerical symbols can possibly be the reason that the higher base system is no longer popular as the default base. I prefer all numerical fonts to be the exact same size especially the width.

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2020-08-11, 20:31   #70
tuckerkao

Jan 2020

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 Originally Posted by VBCurtis How many people have you managed to convince that base 12 is better? How many have you tried to convince? Is your failure to convince anyone here due to the ideas and reasons being lousy, or is it a matter of your lack of skill at communicating the greatness of base 12?
Which language is the best for the daily communication?

Everyone will have the unanimous answer if he/she is only fluent in 1 language: "My Own". Some folks believe German has the better grammar structure than English, but that's only great if they understand both language.

In order to convince that a specific math base is better than others, people have to be familiar with all the given bases.

To be able to divide by 3 is more significant than the divisions of 5. People tend to use 3rds and quarters more frequently. Not everybody is a mathematician, dozenal base will make the daily lives easier if it becomes the default base, but that's unimaginable for majority of the people because they haven't learned the dozenal base in their educational systems well enough.

Why Americans don't like the metric systems and Celsius? Because they are unfamiliar with the system despite almost the entire planet is on that measurement system. Traditions, that's all.

The coronavirus is still spreading rapidly within the United States because people want to stick with their old normal despite how many times the top scientists recommended: "Stay at Home, Leave only when Absolutely Necessary", "Wear Your Masks".

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2020-08-11, 21:23   #71
CRGreathouse

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Quote:
 Originally Posted by tuckerkao I prefer all numerical fonts to be the exact same size especially the width.
How do you handle kerning? Or are all fonts forced to be monospaced in this fantasy?

 2020-08-11, 23:11 #72 a1call     "Rashid Naimi" Oct 2015 Remote to Here/There 41·47 Posts I was borne in a metric country (Persia). I migrated to Canada which is metric by name but in practice everything is in Imperial units. To this day pipes in most of the world are fabricated in Imperial units but are labeled inaccurately in metric. A 300 mm pipe is 12.75" OD in most of the world including Asia, Americas, Australia and England. The monitor and TV screens are measured in Imperial units all over the world. As a mechanical designer it is much more natural to design lengths in inches and then adjust in decremental binary fractions of 1/2, 1/4. ... Than in millimetres. Last fiddled with by a1call on 2020-08-11 at 23:23
 2020-08-12, 00:48 #73 Xyzzy     "Mike" Aug 2002 5×23×67 Posts We put a man on the moon without the metric system!
2020-08-12, 02:58   #74
tuckerkao

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 Originally Posted by Xyzzy We put a man on the moon without the metric system!
The greatness of the United States is sort of already in the past, I'd like to see the a colonial city of Americans on the moon, not just one temporary man. Make sure don't bring Coronavirus there.

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 Originally Posted by CRGreathouse How do you handle kerning? Or are all fonts forced to be monospaced in this fantasy?
Kerning will only occur to the alphabets and the italicized numbers. I just need a simple functional calculator of base 5 dozens, so I can operate the basic +, -, *, /, ^, β.

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2020-08-12, 05:15   #75
tuckerkao

Jan 2020

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 Originally Posted by a1call As a mechanical designer it is much more natural to design lengths in inches and then adjust in decremental binary fractions of 1/2, 1/4. ... Than in millimetres.
Why not use 1/3 inch and 2/3 inch as well, since 1/3 foot = 4 inches and 2/3 foot = 8 inches -

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 Originally Posted by xilman Why invent new ones used only by yourself when a standard and widely used set is readily available?
I like to use the same set for all the bases up to 5 dozens, so I can convert numbers between 2 non-decimal bases directly.
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2020-08-12, 11:04   #76
a1call

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 Originally Posted by tuckerkao Why not use 1/3 inch and 2/3 inch as well, since 1/3 foot = 4 inches and 2/3 foot = 8 inches -
Because it would not be an efficient Successive-Approximation:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meth..._approximation

2020-08-12, 13:04   #77
a1call

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It seems that the ancient Romans had unusually large feet. Particularly since ancients were likely much shorter than our contemporaries.

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 Emperor Maximilian's foot was likely 11.64 inches, while Emperor Nero Drusus's foot was 13.15 inches.
https://sparkfiles.net/foot-whats-special-12-inches

https://sports.yahoo.com/average-sho...122023257.html

A relevant read from dozenal society.

http://www.dozenalsociety.org.uk/history/feet.html

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