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2008-10-23, 16:54   #694
ewmayer
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Sep 2002
República de California

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Paul Krugman: The Real Plumbers of Ohio

NYT Op-Ed | Paul Krugman: The Real Plumbers of Ohio
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 What’s really happening to the plumbers of Ohio, and to working Americans in general? First of all, they aren’t making a lot of money. You may recall that in one of the early Democratic debates Charles Gibson of ABC suggested that $200,000 a year was a middle-class income. Tell that to Ohio plumbers: according to the May 2007 occupational earnings report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average annual income of “plumbers, pipefitters and steamfitters” in Ohio was$47,930. Second, their real incomes have stagnated or fallen, even in supposedly good years. The Bush administration assured us that the economy was booming in 2007 — but the average Ohio plumber’s income in that 2007 report was only 15.5 percent higher than in the 2000 report, not enough to keep up with the 17.7 percent rise in consumer prices in the Midwest. As Ohio plumbers went, so went the nation: median household income, adjusted for inflation, was lower in 2007 than it had been in 2000. Third, Ohio plumbers have been having growing trouble getting health insurance, especially if, like many craftsmen, they work for small firms. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, in 2007 only 45 percent of companies with fewer than 10 employees offered health benefits, down from 57 percent in 2000. And bear in mind that all these data pertain to 2007 — which was as good as it got in recent years. Now that the “Bush boom,” such as it was, is over, we can see that it achieved a dismal distinction: for the first time on record, an economic expansion failed to raise most Americans’ incomes above their previous peak. Since then, of course, things have gone rapidly downhill, as millions of working Americans have lost their jobs and their homes. And all indicators suggest that things will get much worse in the months and years ahead. So what does all this say about the candidates? Who’s really standing up for Ohio’s plumbers? Mr. McCain claims that Mr. Obama’s policies would lead to economic disaster. But President Bush’s policies have already led to disaster — and whatever he may say, Mr. McCain proposes continuing Mr. Bush’s policies in all essential respects, and he shares Mr. Bush’s anti-government, anti-regulation philosophy. What about the claim, based on Joe the Plumber’s complaint, that ordinary working Americans would face higher taxes under Mr. Obama? Well, Mr. Obama proposes raising rates on only the top two income tax brackets — and the second-highest bracket for a head of household starts at an income, after deductions, of $182,400 a year. Maybe there are plumbers out there who earn that much, or who would end up suffering from Mr. Obama’s proposed modest increases in taxes on dividends and capital gains — America is a big country, and there’s probably a high-income plumber with a huge stock market portfolio out there somewhere. But the typical plumber would pay lower, not higher, taxes under an Obama administration, and would have a much better chance of getting health insurance. I don’t want to suggest that everyone would be better off under the Obama tax plan. Joe the plumber would almost certainly be better off, but Richie the hedge fund manager would take a serious hit. But that’s the point. Whatever today’s G.O.P. is, it isn’t the party of working Americans. My Comment: I wonder if the GOP`s recent$150,000 clothes-shopping spree at Saks and Neiman-Marcus for Sarah Palin qualifies as "the clothing of middle-class hockey Moms"? I'll bet Obama wants to raise taxes on that kind of "middle class necessities shopping".

2008-10-23, 22:11   #695

"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA

1E0C16 Posts

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 Originally Posted by wblipp If God chooses to test them, like Job was tested, by putting Obama into the White House, I am confident that most of them will be strong enough in their faith to resist the temptation of converting to Democrats.
That's what five thousand years of development will do for a religion -- provide an excuse for everything.

(* hmmm ... would it that computer software would handle all exceptions so smoothly as organized religion does ... *)

I'll have to mention that in the Brights discussion forum -- secularism will never displace religion until it can provide just as many excuses. But someone else has probably already pointed that out.

Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2008-10-23 at 22:19

2008-10-24, 21:45   #696
R.D. Silverman

Nov 2003

22·5·373 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by cheesehead That's what five thousand years of development will do for a religion -- provide an excuse for everything.
And to show how desparate and despicable the republitards are getting:

A female McCain campaign volunteer has now been charged with lying to the
police after a story she concocted fell apart.

She showed up at a College Station police station with bruises and
a backward "B" etched on her face. She told a story of how she was
robbed by a Barack supporter who, when he found out she was a McCain
supporter, etched the "B" and told her 'now you are a Barack' supporter.

After the police poked holes in her story and an ATM video camera
failed to show the attack, she admitted she lied about the whole
thing... She etched the "B" herself. How she got bruised is a mystery...

It seems that McCain & cronies will go to any lengths to try to make
Obama and his supporters look bad......

2008-10-24, 23:07   #697
rogue

"Mark"
Apr 2003
Between here and the

6,469 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by R.D. Silverman And to show how desparate and despicable the republitards are getting: A female McCain campaign volunteer has now been charged with lying to the police after a story she concocted fell apart. She showed up at a College Station police station with bruises and a backward "B" etched on her face. She told a story of how she was robbed by a Barack supporter who, when he found out she was a McCain supporter, etched the "B" and told her 'now you are a Barack' supporter. After the police poked holes in her story and an ATM video camera failed to show the attack, she admitted she lied about the whole thing... She etched the "B" herself. How she got bruised is a mystery... It seems that McCain & cronies will go to any lengths to try to make Obama and his supporters look bad......
Right out of Morton Downey Jr.'s playbook.

2008-10-25, 02:13   #698
AES

Jul 2007
Tennessee

25·19 Posts

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 Todd confessed to police that she was driving alone, looked in the mirror, saw her black eye and the "B" on her face, and didn't know how they got there.
She's a real psychopath. However, I do believe a mirror was involved after seeing her picture with a faint back facing "B".

I was attacked and received knife wounds in the 11th grade. It leaves more than a few irritated skin inflammations.

Last fiddled with by AES on 2008-10-25 at 03:08

2008-10-25, 02:30   #699
Zeta-Flux

May 2003

7×13×17 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by R.D. Silverman And to show how desparate and despicable the republitards are getting: A female McCain campaign volunteer has now been charged with lying to the police after a story she concocted fell apart. ......... It seems that McCain & cronies will go to any lengths to try to make Obama and his supporters look bad......
This is called the fallacy of composition. http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...mposition.html

2008-10-25, 02:48   #700
AES

Jul 2007
Tennessee

25×19 Posts

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 Originally Posted by Zeta-Flux This is called the fallacy of composition. http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...mposition.html
I agree. She's a psychopath.

However, her latest photo with Pittsburgh detectives is not a PR win for my alma mater.

Neither is this- http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...lege-dorm.html
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 2008-10-25, 04:44 #701 David John Hill Jr     Jun 2003 Pa.,U.S.A. C416 Posts Racism accusations? You've got to be kidding...... If I were a black nationalist who would I vote for? What pull would I perceive with a president named 'Obama'.....ask Kenya. Such is part of what I am weighing.
2008-10-27, 11:33   #702

"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA

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"Fear, Death, and Politics: What Your Mortality Has to Do with the Upcoming Election

A psychology professor explains how thoughts of death influence how we vote or make other decisions"

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=...h-and-politics

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2008-10-27, 21:50   #703
ewmayer
2ω=0

Sep 2002
República de California

22×3×7×139 Posts
Latest Faux-Facial-Mutilation News

Obama supporter describes being attacked by an old white man for not having a John McCain bumper sticker on his car:
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 "When I came to my senses, I found myself lying in a puddle of my own drool, with the bags of Halloween candy I'd just bought at Godiva gone, and an upside-down 'M' carved into the face of my Halloween pumpkin ... there were seeds and pumpkin gore everywhere. The whole thing was simply traumatic beyond words."
See the shocking video

p.s.: An upside-down 'M' - wouldn't that look pretty much like a 'W'? [Pronounced 'Dubya' in much of the country]. Or am I still living in the pre-Maverick era?

 2008-11-01, 03:26 #704 AES   Jul 2007 Tennessee 25×19 Posts Senator Obama has a great financial edge at this point. Can he capitalize on this or will he socialize this, and run it into the ground?