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Old 2008-04-13, 21:24   #1
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Wink Concept of the Infinity

When one starts to think of infinity one cannot stop thinking, and the infinity immediately starts to overwhelm that thought and the container which may be attempting to contain it. In a finite universe, the thought of the infinity immediately causes the universe to become the infinite. But the universe is finite, hence a paradox!

Ceasing to think, I now realize that the Big Bang was probably initiated by a mathematician, elsewhere and elsewhen. My expectation is that that mathematician was thinking an idle thought, and just got blown away by it when starting to think about the infinity.

Continuing with that same lack of thought, I now know that idle thought about the infinity carries the need of forethought, and the practice of responsibility.

So if you are a mathematician, be careful of that which you may think or not think.

Just as an aside, I once started reading the book Manual on How to Think About The Infinity but I haven't finished reading it yet. But if I ever get the chance, I want to read the next manual in the series Manual on How to Think About The Paradox

Commencing now thought of something close to the infinity,

I am your humble mathematician,

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Old 2008-04-14, 15:55   #2
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I once started reading the book Manual on How to Think About The Infinity but I haven't finished reading it yet.
...goes without saying.

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But if I ever get the chance, I want to read the next manual in the series Manual on How to Think About The Paradox
Not until you finish page oo of the first volume - and don't forget to also read the [mercifully finite] epilogue.

I once saw a fellow at the local coffee bar ostentatiously reading a luridly-covered hardback volume titled, "How to think like a genius."
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Not until you finish page oo of the first volume - and don't forget to also read the [mercifully finite] epilogue.
He could just read the concluding summary first, by starting with the epilogue and working back...
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He could just read the concluding summary first, by starting with the epilogue and working back...
Alternatively, he could halve the time by indulging in a little speed-reading and studying only the even-numbered pages.

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But the universe is finite
Do you have a proof of the validity of that statement? Do you even have convincing experimental or observational evidence?


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But the universe is finite
Do you have a proof of the validity of that statement? Do you even have convincing experimental or observational evidence?
Can you prove it is not finite? Which is the more extravagant claim, infinite for finite?
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Can you prove it is not finite? Which is the more extravagant claim, infinite for finite?
But Xilman did not claim that it was infinite; asking for proof of a grandious claim is not the same as claiming the opposite.
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But Xilman did not claim that it was infinite; asking for proof of a grandious claim is not the same as claiming the opposite.
Sorry, my post reads badly, it was not meant to be accusative, merely curious.
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Sorry, my post reads badly, it was not meant to be accusative, merely curious.
Sorry for misinterpreting. For what it's worth, I think that the universe is in fact infinite, in the sense that the most likely scenario given our current understanding of things is heat death.
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Sorry for misinterpreting. For what it's worth, I think that the universe is in fact infinite, in the sense that the most likely scenario given our current understanding of things is heat death.
Go read DeSitter's paper(s) on the subject.
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Go read DeSitter's paper(s) on the subject.
Thanks, that's a fascinating area of research I hadn't come across before. I haven't found or read his actual paper(s), but there appears to be a wealth of info on the subject elsewhere.

At first, it seemed to me that a deSitter universe supports the heat death hypothesis, because an exponentially expanding universe would seem to become diluted until maximum entropy is reached. But not so! Here's a thread which helped me see possibly why...
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=14350
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