mersenneforum.org  

Go Back   mersenneforum.org > Extra Stuff > Soap Box

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 2017-06-30, 17:24   #12
CRGreathouse
 
CRGreathouse's Avatar
 
Aug 2006

16DF16 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kladner View Post
A founding Russia-gate myth is that all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies agreed that Russia hacked into and distributed Democratic emails
I had never heard this, and it seems like a very strange claim. It seems out of scope for almost all of the IC: how would the GIA or NRO confirm this, and why would they agree? Would they have pointed a satellite at a hacker? Similarly, on the surface at least it has nothing to do with military intelligence and so why would MI/ONI/25 AF/MCIA be involved? Maybe colorable with the connections to the Russian military, but questionable at best. CGI is at least in Homeland Security so it has some sort of plausibility. ONSI... again, what would the connection be, exactly? Etc. etc.

So I guess someone reported an implausible story which is now being shot down, but I can't really get excited about that.
CRGreathouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2017-06-30, 20:59   #13
kladner
 
kladner's Avatar
 
"Kieren, ktony"
Jul 2011

3×19×167 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CRGreathouse View Post
I had never heard this, and it seems like a very strange claim. It seems out of scope for almost all of the IC: how would the GIA or NRO confirm this, and why would they agree? Would they have pointed a satellite at a hacker? Similarly, on the surface at least it has nothing to do with military intelligence and so why would MI/ONI/25 AF/MCIA be involved? Maybe colorable with the connections to the Russian military, but questionable at best. CGI is at least in Homeland Security so it has some sort of plausibility. ONSI... again, what would the connection be, exactly? Etc. etc.

So I guess someone reported an implausible story which is now being shot down, but I can't really get excited about that.
I think that the initial claim was typical political claptrap to establish an impression of Proof with those who have no concept of what Spook Country consists of. The retraction will have little or no effect on those who were ignorant enough to have bought the initial claim....like the NYT, WaPo, Slate, and a host of others.

Of course, the outlets mentioned above almost surely knew that they were, and are, spreading thick layers of BS on the more credulous of their readership.

Last fiddled with by kladner on 2017-06-30 at 21:01 Reason: more .........of their
kladner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2017-07-07, 00:20   #14
ewmayer
2ω=0
 
ewmayer's Avatar
 
Sep 2002
República de California

10,909 Posts
Default

As Democratic Voters Shift Left, ‘Liberal Media’ Keep Shifting Right | FAIR
Quote:
On Wednesday, MSNBC announced it had hired torture-supporting, climate-denying, anti-Arab racist Bret Stephens, a recent hire at the New York Times opinion page. Stephens—whose very first article at the Times had to be corrected due to his misunderstanding of basic climate science—will be an “on-air contributor” for both MSNBC and NBC.
Noam Chomsky: On Trump and the State of the Union | NYT -- I must say I'm (pleasantly) surprised to see leading establishment propaganda organ NYT actually publish this, which expresses seditious opinions like
Quote:
For liberal opinion, the political crime of the century, as it is sometimes called, is Russian interference in American elections. The effects of the crime are undetectable, unlike the massive effects of interference by corporate power and private wealth, not considered a crime but the normal workings of democracy.
ewmayer is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2017-07-07, 00:38   #15
only_human
 
only_human's Avatar
 
"Gang aft agley"
Sep 2002

2×1,877 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ewmayer View Post
As Democratic Voters Shift Left, ‘Liberal Media’ Keep Shifting Right | FAIR


Noam Chomsky: On Trump and the State of the Union | NYT -- I must say I'm (pleasantly) surprised to see leading establishment propaganda organ NYT actually publish this, which expresses seditious opinions like
I don't see the media afraid to publish criticism. This is same Chomsky who in the past published a powerful critical opinion about Alan Greenspan and exploitation of working class insecurity.

What I think is more striking that despite some powerful action on the part of women especially no one has co-opted any of the agitated and storm-tossed major factions into a self serving direction. It is mostly unhelmed.

Naomi Klein has a new book out.

I don't think media is the problem so much as that there is no clear compass. People don't trust traditional factions and directions but neither do they trust new movements.

Last fiddled with by only_human on 2017-07-07 at 00:39
only_human is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2017-07-07, 22:25   #16
ewmayer
2ω=0
 
ewmayer's Avatar
 
Sep 2002
República de California

10,909 Posts
Default

Rachel Maddow’s Exclusive “Scoop” About a Fake NSA Document Raises Several Key Questions | Glenn Greenwald, The Intercept
Quote:
None of this is to suggest that there is no newsworthy story here. It appears, at least if one accepts Maddow’s descriptions of the document, that someone did send her an altered document. But there is a massive difference in terms of the importance of this story if it was sent by some random person from the public who obtained the document after The Intercept published it, as opposed to someone who had access to it before publication.
Greenwald is being far too kind - how is a pretty-face bubblehead like Maddow who works for an MSM fake-news-and-propaganda outlet like MSNBC falling for a 4Chan-style prank newsworthy, except in the sense that it reinforces why outfits like MSNBC have 0 credibility left and should be shunned by anyone interested in the truth?
ewmayer is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2017-07-09, 23:25   #17
ewmayer
2ω=0
 
ewmayer's Avatar
 
Sep 2002
República de California

10,909 Posts
Default

o CNN Hired Top al-Qaeda Propagandist for Award-Winning Syria Documentary and Wants to Cover Its Tracks | Alternet
Quote:
With a sardonic grin, Abdul Kareem described how he was slighted: “This Undercover in Syria, you can Google it — it won the prestigious Peabody Award, and it won the prestigious Overseas Press Club Award, which are basically the highest awards in journalism for international reporting. Now, [CNN] barely mentioned my name! I’m telling you, somehow CNN must have forgotten that I was the one that filmed it, I guess they forgot that.”

Indeed, Abdul Kareem’s name was a mere footnote in the Peabody Awards press release on its honoring of CNN. The organization praised Clarissa Ward for “[going] undercover into northern Syria to document Russian influence on the fighting and to navigate the ongoing devastation,” but credited Abdul Kareem only in small print, despite the fact that he was responsible for providing CNN with its on-the-ground footage.

At the April 2017 ceremony where the network’s Undercover in Syria won the Overseas Press Club Award, CNN president Jeff Zucker was on hand to deliver the keynote address. CNN later touted the award in a press release that celebrated the access Ward was granted to eastern Aleppo by the Islamist insurgents that had controlled it. The network noted that her work resulted in her being invited to testify before the United Nations Security Council. But CNN made no mention of Abdul Kareem’s role in the special.

Contrary to Abdul Kareem’s claim that CNN had simply “forgotten” him, the network may have had reason to airbrush him out of its public relations material. The man Ward contracted to take her into rebel-controlled territory was well established as one of the top English-language propagandists for al-Qaeda’s Syrian affiliate, Jabhat al-Nusra, along with other extremist groups fighting the Syrian government.
o Hiding US Lies About Libyan Invasion | Consortium News -- Exclusive: In 2016, when a British parliamentary report demolished the excuse for the U.S. and its allies invading Libya in 2011, it should have been big news, but the U.S. mainstream media looked the other way, reports Joe Lauria.
Quote:
How then could The New York Times and The Washington Post, the most influential American newspapers, either refuse to adequately cover or not cover at all a story of such magnitude, a story that should have been front page news for days? It was a story that undermined the U.S. government’s entire rationale for an unjustified attack that devastated a sovereign nation.

There can be only one reason the story was ignored: precisely because the report exposed a U.S. policy that led to a horrible crime that had to be covered up.

History Spiked

Defending U.S. policy appears to be the underlying motive of U.S. news coverage of the world. The Libya story is just one example. I’ve had personal experience of editors rejecting or changing stories because it would undermine U.S. foreign policy goals.

I twice pitched a story about a now declassified Defense Intelligence Agency document warning of the rise of a U.S.-backed Salafist principality in eastern Syria, intended to pressure Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, that could join with Iraqi extremists to become an “Islamic State,” two years before it happened. My story was twice rejected. It would have undermined the entire American narrative on the War on Terror.

On another occasion, I wrote several articles about the lead-up to a U.N. vote to grant Palestine Observer State status. In each article I mentioned that 130 countries already recognized Palestine as a state and many had diplomatic relations, including Palestinian embassies in their capitals. That essential fact in the story kept getting cut out.

Another story I wrote was spiked about the position Russia, Syria and Iran took on who was responsible for the chemical weapons attack outside Damascus in August 2013. The story also included an interview with a Congressman who demanded to see U.S. intelligence backing its accusation against Assad.
And here a link to a related 2015 story from Counterpunch.
ewmayer is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2017-07-21, 21:38   #18
ewmayer
2ω=0
 
ewmayer's Avatar
 
Sep 2002
República de California

101010100111012 Posts
Default

Crossing National Public Radio (NPR) Off My List for Health Care Coverage | naked capitalism

[NB: For those unfamiliar with it, "kayfabe" is a term from pro wrasslin' - Wikipedia is your friend.]
ewmayer is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2017-07-25, 00:40   #19
ewmayer
2ω=0
 
ewmayer's Avatar
 
Sep 2002
República de California

10,909 Posts
Default

o Washington Post Shoots for Pulitzer in Fake News With Reporting on Disability | Center for Economic and Policy Research

o New WikiLeaks emails show CNN, NBC and Washington Post worked with DNC to influence election

This major-party/MSM "influencing" (which in the case of the Dem primary process was quite blatantly rigging, nothing subtle about it) provides an obvious motive behind those same outfits' relentless post-election pushing of the "Deplorable Rooskies hacked our totally free and fair and non-rigged-by-the-2-parties election" codswallop - our MSM, weapons of mass distraction.
ewmayer is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2017-07-25, 04:05   #20
kladner
 
kladner's Avatar
 
"Kieren, ktony"
Jul 2011

3×19×167 Posts
Default

Quote:
.....an obvious motive behind those same outfits' relentless post-election pushing of the "Deplorable Rooskies hacked our totally free and fair and non-rigged-by-the-2-parties election" codswallop
I have read that article. I put a lot of trust in the VIPS (Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity.) Their rundown of events is stunning. Somehow, "disgruntled insider at DNC leaks" just doesn't have the headline-grabbing zap that "Russians Hack Election" carries. I also noticed that VIPS thinks that there was more than one leaker. Their takedown, of the alleged "Russian fingerprints" in the code, is detailed as to the crudeness of the scam.

Unfortunately, expert testimony is ignored at best, and trashed in other cases, because it does not support the "Commonly Accepted Fact" of Russian involvement.

EDIT: The Russians have had their fingers in many "pies" over time. That does not mean that all "pies" have been thus fingered. Of course, the noble USA would NEVER interfere in another country's democratic processes. Perish the thought! (Or trash the ones who think it.)

Last fiddled with by kladner on 2017-07-25 at 04:10
kladner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2017-07-31, 22:09   #21
ewmayer
2ω=0
 
ewmayer's Avatar
 
Sep 2002
República de California

10,909 Posts
Default

o Fake MSM "imminent dictatorship!" news on Latin America featuring - but by no means limited to - the execrable Washington Post, as detailed by an NC reader:
Quote:
What Mainstream Media Got Wrong About Venezuela’s Constituent Assembly Vote

Venezuelans voted Sunday for representatives of the National Constituent Assembly, amid what the government has called a targeted media campaign to destabilize the country and destroy its sovereignty.

International media outlets rushed to discredit the vote, sharing grossly misrepresentative accounts of the historic electoral process.

[WaPo] said Maduro “defiantly followed through Sunday with his pledge” to hold the election, “creating a critical new stage in a long-simmering crisis that could mint the Western Hemisphere’s newest dictatorship.”

These inflammatory comments, however, do not acknowledge that the right to call a National Constituent Assembly is included in the country’s Constitution and supported by several articles of its text. Indeed the absolute independence of the members of the Constituent Assembly to make changes to the Constitution is protected under these articles.

So it seems constitutional democracy in action must be feared and reviled.
o And anti-Russia propaganda being emitted by what a friend refers to as the "Plutocrat Broadcast Service":

PBS’ Anti-Russia Propaganda Series | Consortium News: PBS has joined the anti-Russia propaganda stampede with a five-part documentary series that recycles the false and deceptive claims that have become Official Washington’s dangerous new groupthink, reports Rick Sterling.

For more on NPR's pronounced illiberalism when it comes to laundering establishment propaganda, I suggest the interested reader do a web search for "NPR CIA talking points".
ewmayer is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2017-08-01, 13:48   #22
wombatman
I moo ablest echo power!
 
wombatman's Avatar
 
May 2013

23·7·31 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ewmayer View Post
o Fake MSM "imminent dictatorship!" news on Latin America featuring - but by no means limited to - the execrable Washington Post, as detailed by an NC reader:
Two opposition leaders were arrested within hours of the vote. Sounds dictatorial to me.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...midnight-raids
wombatman is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
My solution for the problem of microtransactions and media in general jasong jasong 21 2019-08-19 14:59
Civil Unrest, Police Responses, Media Suppression kladner Soap Box 192 2016-06-03 02:02
Cumulus Media to drop Hannity and Rush Limbaugh kladner Soap Box 0 2013-07-29 19:41
Demand Media search, not sure how to do it jasong Lounge 2 2009-11-02 20:12
Media pet peeves ixfd64 Lounge 10 2008-10-11 06:07

All times are UTC. The time now is 22:40.

Wed Apr 1 22:40:27 UTC 2020 up 7 days, 20:13, 3 users, load averages: 1.45, 1.68, 1.66

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum has received and complied with 0 (zero) government requests for information.

Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation.
A copy of the license is included in the FAQ.