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2020-12-15, 11:36   #23
xilman
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 Originally Posted by firejuggler Because, as educated people, they think they can teach disbeliever. And, as good educator, if one method doesn't work, they try again, differently. That cost time , effort and money.
Irony is wasted on some people.

 2020-12-15, 11:54 #24 firejuggler     Apr 2010 Over the rainbow 1001111000012 Posts Sorry, it didn't feel that much rethorical. More like a 2 a step punchline. Last fiddled with by firejuggler on 2020-12-15 at 11:55
 2020-12-15, 18:09 #25 CRGreathouse     Aug 2006 175316 Posts ONeil, every time I try to have a serious discussion you shut it down. Do you have any serious reasons for your antivaxx sentiment?
2020-12-15, 18:25   #26
ONeil

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 Originally Posted by CRGreathouse ONeil, every time I try to have a serious discussion you shut it down. Do you have any serious reasons for your antivaxx sentiment?
Yes Bill Gates is into Eugenics flat out and he is behind donating billions of $$to Pfizer for the jab. I will not take this experimental mRNA shot thank you very much. The proteins it will produce will weaken everyone's immune response. Bill is already planning how to avoid all those who die from the shots by selling this: March 31, 2021 people will be dyeing in a an unpresented manner far worse than now just wait and see. I have feeling some of those people will be ones who got the jab. Quote:  Bill Gates: We need a team of 3,000 infectious disease experts to fight the next pandemic https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/15/bill...pandemics.html This is horrific for what Bill Gates said about the true purpose of vaccines. 2020-12-15, 19:32 #27 mathwiz Mar 2019 24×32 Posts Quote:  Originally Posted by ONeil Yes Bill Gates is into Eugenics flat out and he is behind donating billions of$$ to Pfizer for the jab. I will not take this experimental mRNA shot thank you very much.
OK. Feel free to risk getting covid-19.

Here on planet Earth, I'm perfectly happy to take a vaccine that has been studied and tested in clinical trials with thousands of people.

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 March 31, 2021 people will be dyeing in a an unpresented manner far worse than now just wait and see.
They will be adding pigment to their clothes? That sounds awful...

2020-12-15, 21:24   #28
ONeil

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So 4 in 30,000 had this side affect. You numbers guys how many could it be if say since we have a supply of 250 million shots on hand and say we use it all, how many could get bells palsy? What figure would you average?

My figures are about 33,333 people would get Bells Palsy

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 U.S. Food and Drug Administration staff recommends monitoring people who get Pfizer or Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccine shots for possible cases of Bell’s palsy, saying it’s not necessarily a side effect but worth watching out for after a handful of trial participants got the condition, which causes half of your face to droop. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/15/fda-...ecipients.html

2020-12-15, 21:41   #29
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 Originally Posted by ONeil So 4 in 30,000 had this side affect. You numbers guys how many could it be if say since we have a supply of 250 million shots on hand and say we use it all, how many could get bells palsy? What figure would you average?
That works out to be about 13, per 100,000 = 1 / 7692

https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1146903-overview
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 Most population studies generally show an annual incidence of 15–30 cases per 100,000 population
Seems to be in line with the general population. 1 / 6667 to 1/ 13,333

https://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/patient-caregiver-education/fact-sheets/bells-palsy-fact-sheet
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 Who is at risk? Bell’s palsy affects about 40,000 people in the United States every year. It can affect anyone of any gender and age, but its incidence seems to be highest in those in the 15- to 45-year-old age group. Risk factors for Bell’s palsy include pregnancy, preeclampsia, obesity, hypertension, diabetes, and upper respiratory ailments.
40,000/331,000,000 = 1 / 8275

So that many cases is the same as background. roughly.

 2020-12-15, 22:04 #30 Dr Sardonicus     Feb 2017 Nowhere 2×3×719 Posts Hmm. It seems that good ol' Alex "Infowars" Jones has been pushing some of the conspiratorialist Kool-aid about Bill Gates and vaccines. Luckily, you don't need a vaccine anyway, because he has colloidal silver toothpaste to sell you that's guaranteed to kill that virus dead. Oh, wait, I think those nasty gummint types got on him about the claims for colloidal silver being fraudulent. In addition to there being no evidence of colloidal silver being effective against COVID-19 (or having any health benefits whatever), too much of it in your system can lead to a permanent skin discoloration known as Argyria. Oh, and did I mention that the condition is permanent?
 2020-12-15, 22:08 #31 tServo     "Marv" May 2009 near the Tannhäuser Gate 5×112 Posts No, I'm not afraid of getting the vaccination. I AM afraid of NOT getting it. ( soon enough ) I am also afraid that if enough people DON't get it, we won't reach the threshold that causes the disease to be completely snuffed out and we will have "flare ups" periodically. A few years ago ( sorry, I don't have a link ), I remember reading about a study that examined each medicine breakthru to estimate how many lives that breakthru has saved. Vaccines not only won, they were responsible for over half the number of lives saved !!
 2020-12-15, 22:10 #32 firejuggler     Apr 2010 Over the rainbow 32·281 Posts Obligatory xkcd https://xkcd.com/1520/
2020-12-15, 22:22   #33
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 Originally Posted by tServo A few years ago ( sorry, I don't have a link ), I remember reading about a study that examined each medicine breakthru to estimate how many lives that breakthru has saved. Vaccines not only won, they were responsible for over half the number of lives saved !!
Doing some sums from:
http://www.scienceheroes.com/index.php?Itemid=27
And not counting anything twice I get: 1,076,015,000 lives saved by vaccination.

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