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Old 2008-11-03, 05:29   #705
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How some Republicans now view their party:

"Republican blues"

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/...on/edcohen.php

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ST. PETERSBURG, Florida: Fazal Fazlin has an American story. Raised in Karachi, Pakistan, he came to the United States in 1969 with an engineering degree and little else. Now he lives on a five-acre estate in the waterfront mansion that once belonged to Nelson Poynter, luminary of the newspaper business.

Poynter, who died in 1978, was the owner of the St. Petersburg Times, a bastion of journalistic excellence and liberal tradition.

Liberalism was never Fazlin's thing. For most of his rags-to-riches American life, he was a Nixon Republican.

"I felt Nixon was a great president," Fazlin, a dapper 58, told me. "He opened relations with China, and that's what kept inflation down. He had a really good command of the world."

So perhaps it's surprising to see "Obama for President" signs outside the Poynter-Fazlin mansion and learn that Fazlin, joining long lines of early-voting Florida residents, has already cast his ballot for the Democratic candidate after twice voting Bush.

. . .

... For Fazlin, the Republican Party has "forgotten itself."

. . .

Fazlin's Republican Party, he told me over lunch, "was for less government and it was fiscally conservative. But look at the spending under Bush. We are trillions in debt. My grand-daughter will pay for that."

His Republican party believed in a link between work and reward rather than a culture of flipping toxic mortgage loans to earn tens of millions of dollars a year. His Republican Party believed in transactions based on reality. "I had to jump through hoops for my first mortgage," Fazlin said.

The party's cultural shift also troubles him. In the party he joined, the Christian right was insignificant. He sees a link between its rise and "an attitude toward Muslims that I really don't like. Muslim cannot mean terrorist, but some of the e-mails I get suggest Republicans don't see the difference."

A Muslim himself, Fazlin was pleased to hear another Republican-to-Obama convert, General Colin Powell, say: "Is there something wrong with some 7-year-old Muslim-American kid believing he or she could be president?"

. . .

... his far-flung family (from Pakistan, Canada and Australia) gathered for his birthday in June - and gave him the decisive prod into the Obama camp.

They asked: What's happened to America? Why is it so heavy-handed? Why won't it sit down, eyeball to eyeball, with its enemies and try to work things out? Fazlin considered those good questions.

. . .

[Cohen writes] I think the Fazlin conversion is significant. Among Republicans flipping to Obama I've detected three core feelings: We have to do something different; we cannot be the party of fiscal irresponsibility; we cannot be the party of anger and fear and "America-first" jingoism.

There's something more, something unspoken. Reagan's line was, "It's morning again in America." Bush has been about American dusk. Republicans are hard-headed but not to the point they want hope banished from the national vocabulary.

. . .

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Old 2008-11-03, 07:26   #706
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Note that Fazlin said, "But look at the spending under Bush. We are trillions in debt. My grand-daughter will pay for that."

If all Republicans would similarly take off their big-spending-liberals-campaign-rhetoric blinders and look at the actual figures, they'd realize that their party is responsible for the vast majority of our current $10 trillion national debt, because of its 1980 think-tank-inspired turnaround from being fiscally responsible to being the party that has mortgaged our future in order to feed personal greed for power and money at the expense of ethics. (And then maybe they'd stop the lying recorded political calls I get blaming Democrats for "mortgaging our future".)

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Old 2008-11-03, 19:24   #707
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"So having a middle class is socialism?"
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Can't wait until this is over. [Insert Phil's avatar].
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Old 2008-11-04, 00:17   #709
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There are no awards for the season’s slimiest political messages (Swift Boat statuettes?), but two deserve consideration in the character assassination category.

In the first, Republicans in Pennsylvania flooded 75,000 Jewish voters with an e-mail alarum from a retired Jewish judge equating a vote for Barack Obama with the “tragic mistake” of Jews who ignored the warning signs of the Holocaust. Quick apologies and retractions were offered once this surfaced in the press, but too late for the unspeakable to be spiked.

In the second, the campaign of Senator Elizabeth Dole of North Carolina, who is in a very tight race, broadcast her desperation by attacking her opponent, State Senator Kay Hagan, for accepting “godless money” at a “secret” fund-raiser whose hosts included a leader of a secularist group.

At the end, the TV screen fills with a shadowy photo of Ms. Hagan, an elder at her Christian church, as a female voice fairly shrieks: “There is no God!”

Then there is the fringe madness of “Letter from 2012 in Obama’s America” — an apocalyptic fiction making the rounds from the conservative Christian group Focus on the Family Action. It foresees an Obama incumbency marked by terrorist attacks on American cities, rampant crime as guns are confiscated, a nuclear attack on Israel and the Boy Scouts’ disbanding to avoid court-empowered gay leaders.

It seems just another straight-line for Jon Stewart until the nation remembers that the group’s leader is James Dobson. He is one of the most prominent leaders on the evangelical right, with an audience measured in the scores of millions.

The Democrats have their share of slimy ads, like one targeted at the elderly that falsely claims John McCain would cut Social Security benefits in half. We’re not excusing that ad or any other policy distortions. But frankly, it’s not even an also-ran compared with what the McCain campaign and its allies have been up to.
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Old 2008-11-04, 17:19   #711
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...is hereby called to order. We shall skip the usual roll call, reading of the previous meeting`s minutes, comparison of game bagged since the last meeting [my 400 lb black bear kicks that wimpy 6-point buck Brother AleutinTootin needed 3 shots to bring down anyway, and I wouldn't want to embarrass my Brother] and review of the lodge finances and instead proceed directly to discussion of this week`s key election-related issue, which is:

Is allowing presidential candidates to vote for themselves a violation of anti-electioneering laws?

Brother Moosejaw, you have 3 minutes for your prepared statement on this issue.

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Thank you, grand Moose Poobah. I shall not require all of my allotted time and ask that any remaining time be put into the Rainy Day fund.

As to the issue before us: There are well-known federal statutes against electioneering in force in the United States. For instance, it would be illegal for me to hang around or to enter a polling place wearing my favorite "Barack Hoo-Sane Obama is a untrussworthy islandofashist Blafrican Muslin dude" T-shirt, just as it would be for Brother Katmaindu over here to walk around before voting sporting his "I Sarah P 4ever" lapel pin. Clearly, allowing a presidential candidate to not only appear as him or herself at his or her local polling place, but also talk to other prospective voters and then further to go ahead and vote for him or herself is a flagrant violation of anti-electioneering laws. Especially if it's someone who didn't even bother to fight and die for his or her country in Viet Nam or Cambodia. Thank You.
We now open the floor for other comments.
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I would think that absentee ballots would be better, as they could spen more time "on the trial" on the day of. Also, they could toot their horn for early voting.
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How does the whole "absentee ballot" trhing work, anyway? I mean, how can I fill in the ballot if I'm not allowed to be wherever it is that the ballot is? I always wondered about that.

[p.s.: Another thing that always puzzled me, which I can never seem to get a straight answer to: Who is buried in the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier? You'd think with modern forensic science they'd have figured it out by now. If I were one of the relatives of the Unknown soldier, I'd sure want some closure.]
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Old 2008-11-04, 21:11   #714
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Is allowing presidential candidates to vote for themselves a violation of anti-electioneering laws?
Honorable and Grand Moose Poobah,

Not if they do so secretly.

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How does the whole "absentee ballot" trhing work, anyway? I mean, how can I fill in the ballot if I'm not allowed to be wherever it is that the ballot is?
Honorable and Grand Moose Poobah,

The ballot is absent along with the voter, not from the voter.

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This is the first year I've ever cast an early/absentee ballot. The village clerk mailed me a blank ballot, an addressed (to clerk) postage-paid envelope for returning it, and instructions.

The instructions required that my following actions be witnessed by another adult U.S. citizen who was not on the ballot him/herself.

1. Write my name, address, and ward number on the outside of the return envelope. Show ID with matching name and address to witness. (Note: Showing ID is not required for those voting in person at polling place on election day. Yet, anyway. Simply declaring one's name and adddress is sufficient there.)

2. Mark my ballot secretly, in a manner that allows the witness to see that I did it by myself only with no assistance or absence, but not to see what my choices were.

3. Fold ballot, insert it in return envelope, and seal that envelope.

4. Both the witness and I sign on the outside of the return envelope.

5. Mail return envelope, to arrive no later than election day.

Since I didn't trust any of my neighbors to be able to match my driver license photo to my current appearance (see avatar at left), I took the whole thing to village hall last Friday, and performed the actions there while witnessed by officials of the clerk's office, which effectively converted my actions to "early voting". ("Early voters" did the same things, after being handed the ballot and (unpostaged) return envelope instead of having it mailed to them.)

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[p.s.: Another thing that always puzzled me, which I can never seem to get a straight answer to: Who is buried in the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier? You'd think with modern forensic science they'd have figured it out by now.
Honorable and Grand Moose Poobah,

The unknown soldiers there died in the past before the military required all newbies to provide DNA samples.

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If I were one of the relatives of the Unknown soldier, I'd sure want some closure.]
Honorable and Grand Moose Poobah,

The military has always made extensive efforts to find relatives of dead soldiers. The unknown soldiers are selected from the group for which such efforts did not succeed.

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Old 2008-11-04, 21:49   #715
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I would think that absentee ballots would be better, as they could spen more time "on the trial" on the day of.
Brother Uncwilly,

The opposition would portray that as a failure of the candidate to perform the basic citizen duty of voting at their own home precinct on election day. No politician wants to be (not) seen doing that!

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Also, they could toot their horn for early voting.
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It's better to let others do that. The politician's appearance at his/her home precinct on election day is a highly symbolic tradition.

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