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2011-01-23, 00:36   #12
em99010pepe

Sep 2004

2·5·283 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by fivemack Tax rate for domestic electricity here is 5%, if that's of interest
Yes it is. Here went from 5% in 2010 to 6 % now in 2011 for domestic electricity.

2011-01-23, 01:07   #13
sdbardwick

Aug 2002
North San Diego County

68910 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by em99010pepe I'm sorry but I would like to have the energy price without taxes and fees so I can compare them. Thank you. Here taxes for electric energy is 6%.
What costs do you exclude then? Attached is a sample of a bill for my area.
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 2011-01-23, 15:15 #14 ATH Einyen     Dec 2003 Denmark 2×7×227 Posts Danish electric prices translated to english with google translate: http://translate.google.com/translat...forsyning.aspx The "cents" is 1/100th of danish kroner, so each cent is ~ $0.001814 ~ €0.001342 ~ £0.001138. So basic electricity without even VAT is 48.14 cents/kWh ( ~ 0.087$/kWh ~ 0.065 €/kWh ~ 0.055 £/kWh). But I pay including everything 200.93 cents/kWh ( ~ 0.364 $/kWh ~ 0.270 €/kWh ~ 0.229 £/kWh). 2011-01-23, 15:52 #15 Wacky Jun 2003 The Texas Hill Country 32×112 Posts Quote:  Originally Posted by em99010pepe I'm sorry but I would like to have the energy price without taxes and fees so I can compare them. Thank you. Here taxes for electric energy is 6%. It is very hard to compare things on that basis. In my situation, there are no additional taxes. Additionally, many of the electric utilities in Texas are still owned by the local governments. Those "profits" go toward paying for other municipal services. So, to some extent, that portion, whatever it may be, could be considered to be equivalent to a tax. Anyway, from my latest bill -- in USD Base Power Cost$0.07208/kWh
Power Cost Adjustment -$0.02/kWh Delivery Charge$0.03212/kWh

So, among those who have replied, it seems that I have the lowest rate.
0.089 USD = 0.0653 EUR = 0.0556 GBP = 0.487 DKK
Which is the same as ATH, except that I have no additional taxes.

And, as for taxes, it is hard to know just how to treat them. Income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, VAT. Although they may not tax you in one way, they will make it up somewhere else.

 2011-01-23, 17:39 #16 em99010pepe     Sep 2004 2·5·283 Posts Here we also have a lot of taxes and fees. For the period of 2010-10-07 to 2010-12-06 we consumed 1492 kWh. We have a contracted power of 6.9 kVA meaning that it is the max kVA of the line I can turn on at the same time. This value can be changed to higher kVA, paying more. If I have more than 6.9 kVA then the electricity goes down. We also pay a tax for electricity exploration and audio-visual contribution, don't know what the latter means. I funny graph we also have in our electricity bill is about the source of the electricity: 10.9 % hydric energy 5.3 % nuclear (imported from France and Spain) 29.3 % natural Gas 21.0 % coal (conventional energy) 14.7 % wind energy 13.9 % combined heat and power and microgenaration 4.9 % others Last fiddled with by em99010pepe on 2011-01-23 at 17:41
 2011-01-23, 17:49 #17 ATH Einyen     Dec 2003 Denmark 2·7·227 Posts Yeah, its very hard to compare. That "basic electricity" price I wrote about is very basic indeed, on top of that is "Transport of electricity" and "Electricity distribution", which is probably included in what you call "basic electricity"-price. That brings "basic" electricity without taxes and VAT up to 79.44 cents/kWh ( ~ 0.144 $/kWh ~ 0.107 €/kWh ~ 0.090 £/kWh). But I think total price including everything is also interesting (and very high ): 200.93 cents/kWh ( ~ 0.364$/kWh ~ 0.270 €/kWh ~ 0.229 £/kWh). Last fiddled with by ATH on 2011-01-23 at 17:52
 2011-01-23, 18:46 #18 fivemack (loop (#_fork))     Feb 2006 Cambridge, England 192916 Posts Price before tax perhaps interests some kinds of economists, but actual price paid - the amount that has to come out of my pocket to keep the lights on and the CPU-fans revolving and therefore cannot be spent on cheese - must be the right thing to compare. Last fiddled with by fivemack on 2011-01-23 at 19:14
 2011-01-23, 19:08 #19 chalsall If I May     "Chris Halsall" Sep 2002 Barbados 7×1,423 Posts Here in Barbados (for domestic customers): USD $0.3012 / kWh. This includes 17.5% VAT. 2011-01-23, 19:52 #20 Wacky Jun 2003 The Texas Hill Country 32·112 Posts Quote:  Originally Posted by ATH Yeah, its very hard to compare. That "basic electricity" price I wrote about is very basic indeed, on top of that is "Transport of electricity" and "Electricity distribution", which is probably included in what you call "basic electricity"-price. That brings "basic" electricity without taxes and VAT up to 79.44 cents/kWh ( ~ 0.144$/kWh ~ 0.107 €/kWh ~ 0.090 £/kWh).
That number is much more comparable to my USSD $0.089/kWh. Quote:  But I think total price including everything is also interesting (and very high ): 200.93 cents/kWh ( ~ 0.364$/kWh ~ 0.270 €/kWh ~ 0.229 £/kWh).
Wow! You certainly have a lot added on -- the "extra" is 150% of the cost-of-goods. I can see 20%, or so, as VAT/sales tax. But where does the rest go?

2011-01-23, 20:01   #21
ATH
Einyen

Dec 2003
Denmark

61528 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Wacky Wow! You certainly have a lot added on -- the "extra" is 150% of the cost-of-goods. I can see 20%, or so, as VAT/sales tax. But where does the rest go?
See google translate link in post #14. It's a tax and "Additional charge for electricity" which should have been translated to "additional tax" and then "energy saving tax" and "Public commitments" which I have no idea about, and then 25% VAT on top of everything else.

 2011-01-23, 20:24 #22 petrw1 1976 Toyota Corona years forever!     "Wayne" Nov 2006 Saskatchewan, Canada 2×32×5×53 Posts My rate is Mersenne Ominous \$.1061/kW.h (Canadian)

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