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Old 2021-08-02, 18:18   #1
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Default P-1 benchmarking results in me getting cat 4 assignments

I was doing some P-1 benchmarking of my computer on this exponent

https://www.mersenne.org/report_expo...5211111&full=1

and needed to repeat a few tests. The server reported the results were not needed, which was understandable. It seems my CPU is now in the dog-house, as whilst it used to get category 0 or 1 assignments, now it is only getting getting category 4. I assume this is because of the rule about

"Computer must have no expired assignments or bad or suspect results in the last 120 days."

Is there any way of getting this changed, so I can get back to category 0 and 1 assignments again? With the exception of 1 PRP test where a proof did not get generated, I'm unaware of anything that indicates a problem with the hardware - it was probably me trying to upload the same set of results twice, which I did with a N/A for the AID. The computer is not overclocked, and has ECC RAM.

Is there any way of stopping one worker connecting to the server, but allowing 3 others to do so? I can't see anything in undoc.txt to indicate this is possible, but it would be handy for bencharking. I'm running 4 workers.

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Old 2021-08-02, 18:32   #2
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I was doing some P-1 benchmarking of my computer on this exponent Dave
@Dr. David Kirby.

Could I please respectfully ask you "what is your game?

We have tried to be patient with you.

You ignore our insight, and radiate.

What, exactly, is your upside?

Clarity would be appreciated.
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Old 2021-08-02, 19:24   #3
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It sounds like you monkeyed around with things and are surprised that there may be consequences.

There are ways around things. I have gotten Cat 1 assignments completed on a system that didn't qualify for Cat 1 (it was a new system.) You can probably do the same thing. It might be a bit more work in meatspace. But, you have shown that your are willing to do more meatspace work. If you fancy yourself a high roller, expect that big wagers may pay off big, but also the losses might be high.

Play with the big boys, expect a few bruises.

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Old 2021-08-02, 19:44   #4
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I was doing some P-1 benchmarking of my computer on this exponent

https://www.mersenne.org/report_expo...5211111&full=1

... It seems my CPU is now in the dog-house
Not only your CPU.
a) The incremental or repeated bounds P-1 submissions look like gaming the credits system
b) Submission for credit is not a necessary part of benchmarking.
c) You've previously been advised on how to do benchmarking more productively for GIMPS.
d) Creating an entire new thread about a single question is something various folks have advised against before, including moderators who can threaten or take certain actions on a per-forum-user basis, yet here it is again.
e) A little thought would have provided an answer to producing the effect you asked about.
f) You neglect to mention the application or version involved. One in the know can deduce it or narrow it down from other post content, but requiring that of each reader is impolite at best.
g) Proofread, spell check, grammar check, read for adequate content. The little red wavy underline is browser spell-check. Use it. Always. ("bencharking")
h) There's an avatar and account info displayed at left of each post. Signatures in post bodies are conspicuously absent in almost all forum posts. Signing posts is redundant and wasteful use of forum storage space. Signing uses relatively few bytes per post, but if every post by everyone was redundantly signed, it would add up to quite a lot.
i) You might feel that you're being singled out, or picked at for minor things. Things that might be let slide, if they were alone, may not be when someone ignores or actively resists guidance or advice on several fronts and exhausts another's patience. (A certain leeway may be given the major players, such as forum owner, authors of major software, server admins, etc, in various matters, that would not be given us mere users.)

You may note I have not answered the question of how to prevent a worker from interacting with the server, or how to beat the 120 days penalty imposed by the server. That is to avoid enabling or rewarding bad behavior.

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Old 2021-08-02, 19:50   #5
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g) Signing posts is redundant and poor use of forum storage space. There's an avatar displayed at left. Signing uses relatively few bytes per post, but if every post by everyone was redundantly signed, it would add up to a lot.
We have a habit of signing our posts.

Large USENET-style signatures would be obtrusive but a simple name or smilie should be okay. (Does our smilie-signature bother others? We don't know!)



Edit: Or use a Unicode emoji for just 1 character.
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Old 2021-08-02, 23:39   #6
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(Does our smilie-signature bother others? We don't know!)
Personally... I've always interpreted that somewhat along the lines of "I'm not even allowed to talk about some of the stuff I've done. This is boring, in comparison...
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Old 2021-08-03, 08:56   #7
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The time consumed for each assignment will add up, so repeated P-1 will cause the server to think the CPU is slower than it really is.

I sometimes unregistered a PRP assignment 1 day before it finished, then immediately re-registered the same exponent(only possible if I wasn't in the crowds), then server would think my CPU was ultra fast because the total duration days were reset to 0 and the large PRP completed within 1.6 days, thus possible to get Cat 0 assignments regardless the fact I couldn't complete those within a week.

I've never registered the P-1 assignments, they all showed that I've finished them in 0.0 days from the result data.

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Old 2021-08-03, 12:17   #8
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I sometimes unregistered a PRP assignment 1 day before it finished, then immediately re-registered the same exponent(only possible if I wasn't in the crowds), then server would think my CPU was ultra fast because the total duration days were reset to 0 and the large PRP completed within 1.6 days, thus possible to get Cat 0 assignments regardless the fact I couldn't complete those within a week.
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In other words you explicitely cheat. And this in a collaborative project.
A logical consequence would be to confine all your computers to CAT 4 !
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Old 2021-08-03, 13:06   #9
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thus possible to get Cat 0 assignments regardless the fact I couldn't complete those within a week.
I don't understand. If you are so convinced that a Mersenne Prime resides in the 168M range, why do you care about Cat 0 assignments? Why are you not throwing all your resources at that range?
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Old 2021-08-03, 18:06   #10
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I don't understand. If you are so convinced that a Mersenne Prime resides in the 168M range, why do you care about Cat 0 assignments? Why are you not throwing all your resources at that range?
+1.
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Old 2021-08-03, 21:01   #11
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I don't understand. Why do you care about Cat 0 assignments? Why are you not throwing all your resources at that range?
95% of my CPU and GPU resources have been spent in Cat 4. It's drkirkby who must be in Cat 0 and Cat 1 or quit GIMPS. If he takes 1 week to finish a larger Cat 4 exponent with unreserve and re-reserve the exponents, he'll be back to Cat 1 fast.

If drkirkby is in the crowds with other M105M peers, there's no chance a reserved exponent can leave at any moment, another user will grab it within seconds if unreserved. Similar will be for lower Cat 4 exponents in the M113M or M114M, maybe not in seconds but in minutes if the PRP exponents were acquired automatically.

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