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Old 2022-08-14, 22:28   #23
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Everyone, please try to use technical terms correctly.
Meanings of words change over time. You have to update your dictionary to keep up.

"Gay" simply means happy, right? And there can't possibly be any other newer meaning at all, right?

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Old 2022-08-14, 22:53   #24
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Default software piracy definitions abound

Among many others yielded by https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=sof...inition&ia=web,
Thales seems applicable here.
The creator of the software gets to determine what licensing terms are. Outside the terms lie illegal copying, use, distribution etc, which are included in some posted definitions of software piracy. I don't believe a demonstrable financial loss is a necessary element.

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Old 2022-08-14, 22:55   #25
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And there can't possibly be any other newer meaning at all, right?
Incorrect. As you well know based on the question. It will have the AI / ML stuff working for a while.

But... I would argue the point being made is quite clear. Tricky stuff using language is at best a distraction.

BTW... I only just now found that The Professor and the Madman has been made into a film.

I own at least two copies of the book, and I've read it multiple times.

I need to now figure out how I can legally watch the acted version. Or, maybe, I'll just pirate it...

TL;DR: There is subtle. And then there's just stupid.
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Old 2022-08-14, 23:34   #26
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Think about people in strict countries, where certain sites are inaccessible (i.e. China). If a given site is inaccessible, and there were no mirrors of the software on said site available on other sites, then the only way to get it would be through VPN, proxy, or some other block-bypassing method. If there are none of those available (this is just a hypothetical scenario), then piracy would be the only possible choice. Besides, what's illegal in some countries is actually legal in others. There are countries where you can pirate all the movies you want without breaking the law. Mexico doesn't even care about piracy afaik. They don't even enforce copyright law there. In North Korea, you would most certainly go to prison, or even be executed, at the first sight of such a thing (they don't even give their common people any legal way to access the WWW).

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Old 2022-08-14, 23:41   #27
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Think about people in strict countries...
Please stop talking. You are done here.

If you want to pass software illegally around, go ahead.

This forum will not be involved.

I hope that is clear.
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Old 2022-08-15, 00:08   #28
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Think about people in strict countries ... then piracy would be the only possible choice.
NOT the only choice. They could a) do without, or possibly, b) move to a different country.

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Old 2022-08-15, 00:22   #29
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NOT the only choice. They could a) do without, or possibly, b) move to a different country.
Additional options are also available.

For example... Study the prior art, and develop your own stuff.
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If a given site is inaccessible, and there were no mirrors of the software on said site available on other sites, then the only way to get it would be through VPN, proxy, or some other block-bypassing method. If there are none of those available (this is just a hypothetical scenario), then piracy would be the only possible choice.
By your logic if your neighbor no longer leaves his mower in the yard for you to borrow, and now starts locking it up in his garage, you would resort to bolt cutters to get into the garage to use the mower.

While many of use use and appreciate freeware, we benefit from the work an generosity of the author. If the author choses to no longer make it available, that is their choice. There is a piece of software that I use that has a license stipulation that it may be freely distributed, with the following stipulations: it has to be transferred unchanged, there has to be a readme included, and there must be absolutely no charge for it [which specifically included not even cost recovery for the media]. The author did provided a tremendously useful bit of software. And so when I provided copies and associated add-on data files that I had gathered, I distributed them freely on CD's. Users of that software could pay for add-on data files from other sources, I was careful to not include any of those of the CD, no matter how useful they might have been to the users I was giving the CD's to.

If you legitimately bought software, use it, but you can't make copies and share it without violating the license. If you wait long enough, the software might enter the public domain. Then you can share it.

The forum can not condone nor permit users to share software illegally. If we permit it to happen on the forum, we are legally abetting the crime. And as such, would be liable to prosecution.
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Old 2022-08-15, 01:23   #31
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Old 2022-08-15, 01:54   #32
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the only possible choice.
emigrate/escape, change the law/regime, obey the law.
Please stop advocating criminality on this forum.
(Moderators, how much more of that are you going to allow?!)

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Mexico doesn't even care about piracy afaik.
Ignorance is frequently an ineffective defense. https://napsintl.com/mexico-manufact...hts-in-mexico/
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ased-from-jail
But knowingly and intentionally is even less effective.

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Old 2022-08-15, 03:48   #33
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(Moderators, how much more of that are you going to allow?!)
Stargate has done nothing actionable. He's expressing his opinions.
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