Marriage and other LGBTQ Rights

[Zeta-Flux]

Originally Posted by retina

Yup. Just like all the other millions of other marriages that suffer the same fate. Seems normal to me.

The "normality" of divorce/separation is certainly an unfortunate consequence of our current societal norms and laws. No argument from me there. But historically it hasn't been the norm, nor need it be, nor does one data point establish similar rates of separation among different types of relationships.

[retina]

Originally Posted by Zeta-Flux

The "normality" of divorce/separation is certainly an unfortunate consequence of our current societal norms and laws. No argument from me there. But historically it hasn't been the norm, nor need it be, nor does one data point establish similar rates of separation among different types of relationships.

If you force people the remain married by disallowing divorce then they will remain married. But that doesn't mean they are happy about it. I think the current trend is merely allowing people to express their discontent more freely. I see nothing wrong with expressing one's thoughts and being able to modify the situation. Better then being stuck where one doesn't want to be. I can't see it ever going back to "the good old days".

[Zeta-Flux]

Originally Posted by retina

If you force people the remain married by disallowing divorce then they will remain married. But that doesn't mean they are happy about it

It doesn't mean they are sad about it either (and I don't know I'd call it force when two adults enter it at their own free will).

But my daughter just came by and told me I spend too much time on the computer. So apparently this discussion doesn't "suit" my own children, so I'll probably be on a bit less.

[Xyzzy]

Originally Posted by xilman

Hey, give him due credit for honesty rather than hypocrisy which would have been the easier way out.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/20/us/jos...shley-madison/

"I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While espousing faith and family values, I have secretly over the last several years been viewing pornography on the internet and this became a secret addiction and I became unfaithful to my wife," Duggar said in a statement Thursday.

[xilman]

Originally Posted by Xyzzy

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/20/us/jos...shley-madison/

Fair enough. That wasn't known when I made my comment.

However, he's still being honest rather than trying to avoid the issue.

[ch4]

A "rabidly anti-gay Georgia Republican legislator" sashays into a bit of honesty.

The Georgia GOP Is in a Civil War Over Anti-Gay “Religious Liberty” Bill

Originally Posted by slate.com/blogs/outward/

I am a big fan of Sen. Josh McKoon, the rabidly anti-gay Georgia Republican legislator who sponsored a failed “religious liberty” bill last spring. Like most conservatives, McKoon initially peddled the laughable line that his bill wasn’t intended to undercut LGBT rights. But when a moderate Republican called his bluff, proposing a simple amendment to clarify that the bill did not legalize discrimination, McKoon let the façade drop. “That amendment,” he fumed, “would completely undercut the purpose of the bill.” With those words, McKoon finally admitted what so many would not: The whole point of “religious liberty” bills is to nullify LGBT nondiscrimination measures.

Since then, the Georgia GOP has split wide open over McKoon’s bill. Religious conservatives in the party vehemently support it; business-minded moderates, who fear an Indiana-style backlash, vigorously oppose it. (The latter camp is led by Jewish Rep. Mike Jacobs and supported by the Anti-Defamation League, which has led to some disturbing dog whistles.) Now McKoon is lining up his soldiers for the next charge—and, in doing so, dropping all pretexts about the true intentions of his bill. In a remarkable speech, McKoon pilloried companies like Delta, Coca-Cola, and Home Depot, which are headquartered in Georgia and spoke out against the bill. These companies, McKoon claimed, are the main roadblock to the bill’s passage:

McKoon should be commended for his honesty. Sure, he’s cribbing the tactics of Southern white supremacist groups in the civil rights era, who regularly complained that groups like the NAACP were just outside agitators who didn’t share or understand Southern values. But in doing so, he has abandoned the pretense that his bill is about anything other than legally disadvantaging LGBT people. ...

. . .

Further quotes from the McKoon speech:

Originally Posted by http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/08/27/josh-mckoon-on-the-cultural-threat-posed-by-delta-other-big-multi-national-firms/

“They think that they ought to be able to use the awesome power of government to do that. And that is why we have had the problem that we’ve had.

“When you have the CEO of Delta Air Lines saying that religious freedom is not in line with his company’s values, we’ve got a serious disconnect. We’ve got a serious problem.

“…When you start telling me that our individual civil liberties are somehow a business issue, we’re going to have a serious problem.”

[R.D. Silverman]

Originally Posted by ch4

A "rabidly anti-gay Georgia Republican legislator" sashays into a bit of honesty.

The Georgia GOP Is in a Civil War Over Anti-Gay “Religious Liberty” Bill




Further quotes from the McKoon speech:

I extract just one quote from this SPOS.



"When you start telling me that our individual civil liberties are somehow a business issue, we’re going to have a serious problem.”"

The problem is that sub-human piece of shit thinks that "religious liberty" means the right to practice bigotry and
discrimination based on the PRETENSE of "religion". Religious liberty does not include the right to discriminate
no matter how sincere you claim your beliefs are.


Practicing discrimination is NOT an "individual civil liberty" being denied by business.

And my personal opinion is that a large number of these "religious liberty" advocates are
nothing but fucking liars who are using the pretense to promote their personal hates.

These SPOS believe that their "religious freedoms" take precedence over the rights of others.
They don't.

[ewmayer]

On a lighter note, a little end-of-week humor from The Onion:

Gay Teen Worried He Might Be Christian

[kladner]

Originally Posted by ewmayer

On a lighter note, a little end-of-week humor from The Onion:

Gay Teen Worried He Might Be Christian

[R.D. Silverman]

Originally Posted by kladner

SCOTUS has ruled that the sub-human piece of this Kentucky clerk may NOT refuse
to give marriage licenses.

See:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/31/politi...urt/index.html

She claims a deeply held religious belief about the sanctity of marriage.

But this lying utc+n is currently on her FOURTH marriage.

[kladner]

.....currently on her FOURTH marriage.

Thanks for that detail, Bob. It figures. I suspect she is aiming for higher office, or a role at Fox.