20070118, 01:49  #1 
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PrimeRelated History: Leibniz' "Universal Language Based on Primes"
http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/lan...es/000729.html
""it takes a really smart person to have a really spectacularly stupid idea" :) Last fiddled with by ewmayer on 20070118 at 01:50 
20070118, 17:05  #2 
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Universal Language.
Interesting reading and a smart theory of relating sense into numbers, specifically prime numbers. Most lightning calculators do this sort of thing all the time. History narrates that most of these calculators are abnormal and socially inadept in their dealings with others, some were even physical freaks. Well Mark lieberman has presented a good case history of Liebnitz 'generalis' and ratiocentercalculator but evidently has not considered Kurt Geodels Incompleteness theorem which was the death knell of all such possibilities. I give below a very elementary version of what Geodel meant by his theorem and struck at the foundation of Peano Arithmetic. Bertrand Russell did the same for Frege's theories of sets. Browse thru it and lets have your comments. http://godel.4mg.com/ Mally 
20070222, 17:47  #3  
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"There is no idea so stupid that you can't find a professor who will believe it."  H. L. Mencken Last fiddled with by ewmayer on 20070222 at 17:48 

20070228, 13:52  #4  
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I think Leibnitz' idea is a precursor of coding theory; today in computer age we laugh about the simplemindedness of his concept since we know much about Information theory, compression algorithms like LZH, etc. etc. but at that time (try to figure out how life was when he lived) it's quite bleeding edge thinking. Probably it was before he "invented" the base2 system for machine calculations (else he might have tought of assigning 2^n to concept #n which gives higher numbers than prime[n] for "primitive concepts", but since one can use addition instead of multiplication one is guaranteed that a "composite concept" is not more than twice its "biggest" ingedient  and it's easy to count the number of primitive concepts involved...) But well, major drawbacks of course still include * commutativity of the arithmetic operations which seem not to allow noncommutative chainment of ideas * the political wars will still continue on the subject of which #n should be attributed to which concept  does communism or capitalism come first ? 

20070228, 18:51  #5  
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But in any event, if you can show me where he writes something that could be reasonably construed as a claim that "27 is prime", I'll be more than willing to change my opinion. 

20070228, 20:52  #6  
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20070228, 21:01  #7  
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I believe that the misunderstanding can be explained through the following:
A casual reading might imply that Mr. Liberman is saying that 27 is prime: From the 2nd paragraph: Quote:
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Of course, I could really just be experiencing "a bunny with a pancake on his head" moment, and not know at all what I'm talking about....wouldn't be the first time today.. 

20070301, 21:29  #8  
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(Even though I know how any logical operation can be constructed using only NAND gates... and also using only implications, which makes them a good candidate to be chosen as the most primitive logical operation and, as such, as a primitive concept.) Quote:
But in any event, if you can show me where I write something that could be reasonably construed as a claim that "[he] said that 27 is prime", I'll be more than willing to vigurously dement that accusation... 

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I believe that the misunderstanding can be explained through the following:
A casual reading might imply that m_f_h is saying that Mr. Liberman is thinking that 27 is prime. However, a more careful reading, illuminates that he is instead saying that "the guy seems to think that 27 is prime". Herr Wunderdoktor, darf ich Ihnen eine unverbindliche GratisEnglischLektion angedeihen lassen: "seems to" means that "(at a first glance) it appears as if". This is just what has been confirmed by the sheep. But please:  Although I'm easily stimulated to reply (often in a /seemingly/ aggressive manner) to a provocation, I don't want to be in war with you and herewith make the honest proposal to dig in the Kriegsbeil (up to the next provocation, at least ). Quote:
(I did not want to make allusions to dementia...) 

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