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 2010-04-21, 19:25 #1 xilman Bamboozled!     "𒉺𒌌𒇷𒆷𒀭" May 2003 Down not across 296116 Posts An engineering problem Someone who shall remain nameless, but who I will call AKL, suggested that it might be a good idea to remove Iceland. The premise is that the cost of Iceland to the world economy in general and to that of Europe in particular is exhorbitant. Rather than shut down European airspace, it would be cheaper to relocate circa 250K Icelanders and then remove the island itself. My initial idea was to drill holes into the main magma chambers and let in a few cubic km of seawater. The resulting steam explosion would move quite a lot of rock sideways into the deeper waters of the north Atlantic. On reflection, I concluded that this approach has at least two drawbacks. The first is that there may be too much collateral damage. The second is that it almost certainly wouldn't do the job completely and that some tidying up would be required afterwards. However, as Iceland keeps coming back anyway (islands are forever popping up around the present coastline) a continuing operation would be needed anyway so perhaps the second drawback isn't that serious. On further reflection, I re-examined the question. If all we really want to do is to stop the Icelanders from buggering everyone else with their volcanoes perhaps we should take a leaf from the treehuggers' manual. If coal-fired power plants have to scrub ash, SO_2 and CO_2 from their emissions, why shouldn't the Icelanders be required to do the same from their geothermal energy sources? This led to the idea of putting a roof over Iceland and not letting anything out until the pollutants had been removed. Any other proposals? Any elaborations and/or improvements on my initial ideas? In particular, costings and engineering designs for the roof and scrubbers would be most welcome. Paul
2010-04-21, 22:38   #3
petrw1
1976 Toyota Corona years forever!

"Wayne"
Nov 2006

5·911 Posts

Reminds me of a riddle that was making the rounds in Canada a while back when the Province of Quebec was on a mission to separate from the rest of Canada and become an independent country.

Note: We Canadians like to pick on Newfoundlanders (aka Newfies).

It went something like:

Quote:
 Q: Why are the Newfies all in favor of Quebec separating? A: Because then it wouldn't be as long a drive to Ontario.

2010-04-22, 12:30   #4
davieddy

"Lucan"
Dec 2006
England

2×3×13×83 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by ewmayer Dear United Kingdom: In response to your demand to send cash immediately ... Please note the Icelandic Alphabet does not contain the letter "C". We have complied with your request as best as our language allows. It's not easy to conjure up a volcano at will to spew tons of ash. Please consider our debt paid in full. Respectfully yours Iceland
A: "I'm thirsty"
B: "Would you like some water?"
A: "I said I'm thirsty, not dirty"

 2010-04-22, 12:51 #5 retina Undefined     "The unspeakable one" Jun 2006 My evil lair 22×32×132 Posts Don't take the hard route of trying to remove the island. Or even trying to contain all emissions from the island. Just plainly, and simply, get the Icelanders to pay back the airlines and whomever else was affected. Exceedingly simple solution IMO. It will teach them a lesson for next time: If you wanna spew ash then ya gotta pay. $200B for the first day,$1T for the full week. Last fiddled with by retina on 2010-04-22 at 12:54 Reason: Adjusting the figures a little
2010-04-23, 11:37   #6
lfm

Jul 2006
Calgary

6518 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by retina Don't take the hard route of trying to remove the island. Or even trying to contain all emissions from the island. Just plainly, and simply, get the Icelanders to pay back the airlines and whomever else was affected. Exceedingly simple solution IMO. It will teach them a lesson for next time: If you wanna spew ash then ya gotta pay. $200B for the first day,$1T for the full week.
I don't think it was the Icelanders' fault. It was the mole people made the volcano erupt!

2010-04-23, 15:41   #7
science_man_88

"Forget I exist"
Jul 2009
Dumbassville

26×131 Posts

My proposal is to try a car idea I've tried to send GM and other car makers if it all works properly I could help remove co2 and replace it with O2 (might need energy not to be o3 instead). I propose a CO2 filter (like David Keith of University of Calgary showed on discovery) be used to get co2 to react with water to form sugars etc. if my idea works we'd clean the air of most methane levels made as well. Anyone actually want more of my idea (could work in a hydrogen/solar hybrid I think)

Quote:
 Originally Posted by xilman Any other proposals? Paul

Last fiddled with by science_man_88 on 2010-04-23 at 15:45

2010-04-23, 23:00   #8
Uncwilly
6809 > 6502

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Aug 2003
101×103 Posts

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Quote:
 Originally Posted by science_man_88 My proposal is to try a car idea I've tried to send GM and other car makers if it all works properly I could help remove co2 and replace it with O2 (might need energy not to be o3 instead).
PM me some details.

 2010-04-24, 00:23 #9 EdH     "Ed Hall" Dec 2009 Adirondack Mtns E3316 Posts I wonder how feasible it would be to construct a large Stirling engine (or several) at the site and use it (them) to generate electricity. How much temperature drop could be realized for each megawatt? Or, what about a combination steam engine, water distillery? Pump salt water from the nearby source, use it in a steam engine heated by the volcano, condense the output steam into fresh water. Use the power generated to run the pumps, etc.
2010-04-26, 15:19   #10
ewmayer
2ω=0

Sep 2002
República de California

265328 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by lfm I don't think it was the Icelanders' fault. It was the mole people made the volcano erupt!
Ha ... I have a movie poster for The Mole People on the outside of my cube at work. (It seems an apt metaphor for cubicle-dwelling code moles, you see). "Terrifying monsters from a lost age of B-movie shlockiness!!"

2010-04-26, 20:46   #11
Primeinator

"Kyle"
Feb 2005
Somewhere near M52..

11·83 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by ewmayer Dear United Kingdom: In response to your demand to send cash immediately ... Please note the Icelandic Alphabet does not contain the letter "C". We have complied with your request as best as our language allows. It's not easy to conjure up a volcano at will to spew tons of ash. Please consider our debt paid in full. Respectfully yours Iceland[/i]
I sense foul play ;-)

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