Update PRP (on the web interface)

preda · 2017-12-17, 06:25

Hi, a small list of things to do to bring PRP to parity with LL on the web interface:

1. manual testing assignments: add PRP-first-time and PRP-double-check as work types.

2. Reports: add "Top-producers / first PRP", and maybe PRP-DC.

3. To "Top-producers / Totals overall" add columns for PRP and PRP-DC.

4. To "Current progress / Recent Cleared" add PRP.

ET_ · 2017-12-17, 10:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by preda

Hi, a small list of things to do to bring PRP to parity with LL on the web interface:

1. manual testing assignments: add PRP-first-time and PRP-double-check as work types.

2. Reports: add "Top-producers / first PRP", and maybe PRP-DC.

3. To "Top-producers / Totals overall" add columns for PRP and PRP-DC.

4. To "Current progress / Recent Cleared" add PRP.

You just said it

I was becoming nervous doing PRP without knowing how far my "antagonists" are...

kruoli · 2017-12-17, 15:38

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Originally Posted by preda

2. Reports: add "Top-producers / first PRP", and maybe PRP-DC.

PRP:
https://www.mersenne.org/report_top_...tom/?type=1007

PRP-D:
https://www.mersenne.org/report_top_...tom/?type=1008

PRP-CF:
https://www.mersenne.org/report_top_...tom/?type=1009

PRP-CF-D:
https://www.mersenne.org/report_top_...tom/?type=1010

For now, they seem to be availible only by manipulating GET-parameters.

ET_ · 2017-12-17, 17:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by kruoli

PRP:
https://www.mersenne.org/report_top_...tom/?type=1007

PRP-D:
https://www.mersenne.org/report_top_...tom/?type=1008

PRP-CF:
https://www.mersenne.org/report_top_...tom/?type=1009

PRP-CF-D:
https://www.mersenne.org/report_top_...tom/?type=1010

For now, they seem to be availible only by manipulating GET-parameters.

Siegmund · 2017-12-19, 20:42

If we're talking about adding it to the publicly-visible portion of the website...

Job #1 is going to be explaining to the world what the PRP test is and how it works and why it should be part of GIMPS.

It's not clear to me that PRP is ever going to move into the spotlight - in much the same way that the whole GPU factoring effort goes on behind the scenes. Pages like https://www.mersenne.org/manual_gpu_assignment/ exist and aren't hidden behind a password, but are not linked to any of the public-facing pages.

Heck, I am not sure *I* understand how PRP fits into the bigger picture, despite trying to keep tabs on this forum.

ATH · 2017-12-19, 22:29

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Originally Posted by Siegmund

Heck, I am not sure *I* understand how PRP fits into the bigger picture, despite trying to keep tabs on this forum.

Basically "R. Gerbicz" came up with an ingenious way to error check PRP tests, see this thread and even more in the other linked thread in the GPU forum:
http://mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=22510

So instead of LL test we might as well run PRP tests since even though they will not prove a number prime they *will* prove a number composite which is what happens >99.99% of the time.

If a number is shown to be a PRP then we need to run 2+ actual LL tests, but many LL tests are always run anyway whenever we have a positive result.

The chance/risk that a >20M digit Mersenne number should be an actual 3-PRP without being prime is so infinitesimal small that a positive PRP test is probably more likely to be prime than a positive LL test due to the better error checking.

aurashift · 2017-12-20, 16:18

can you summarize PRP?

If you do a PRP and discover something, are you the discoverer or is the LL'er?

Does PRP take less resources?

paulunderwood · 2017-12-20, 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by aurashift

can you summarize PRP?

If you do a PRP and discover something, are you the discoverer or is the LL'er?

Does PRP take less resources?

Quote:

Basically "R. Gerbicz" came up with an ingenious way to error check PRP tests, see this thread and even more in the other linked thread in the GPU forum:
http://mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=22510

The PRP'er is the finder and gets credit for finding a new Mersenne prime -- after the LL proofs have been performed.

PRP takes a few minutes more to do but is amazingly error free!

aurashift · 2017-12-20, 16:40

my h/w is already more error free than usual (ecc & server grade h/w), so is this not worth doing for me?

paulunderwood · 2017-12-20, 16:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by aurashift

my h/w is already more error free than usual (ecc & server grade h/w), so is this not worth doing for me?

PRP goes beyond what is possible with ECC RAM. For peace of mind, I would run PRP if I were using your hardware.

VictordeHolland · 2017-12-20, 17:15

So once everybody upgrades their software will the (new) PRP test be the standard for checking primality of mersenne candidates (instead of LL?). Or will they coexist?

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2017-12-17, 06:25	#1
preda "Mihai Preda" Apr 2015 2²×19² Posts	Update PRP (on the web interface) Hi, a small list of things to do to bring PRP to parity with LL on the web interface: 1. manual testing assignments: add PRP-first-time and PRP-double-check as work types. 2. Reports: add "Top-producers / first PRP", and maybe PRP-DC. 3. To "Top-producers / Totals overall" add columns for PRP and PRP-DC. 4. To "Current progress / Recent Cleared" add PRP. Last fiddled with by preda on 2017-12-17 at 06:26

2017-12-19, 20:42	#5
Siegmund Mar 2014 52₁₀ Posts	If we're talking about adding it to the publicly-visible portion of the website... Job #1 is going to be explaining to the world what the PRP test is and how it works and why it should be part of GIMPS. It's not clear to me that PRP is ever going to move into the spotlight - in much the same way that the whole GPU factoring effort goes on behind the scenes. Pages like https://www.mersenne.org/manual_gpu_assignment/ exist and aren't hidden behind a password, but are not linked to any of the public-facing pages. Heck, I am not sure I understand how PRP fits into the bigger picture, despite trying to keep tabs on this forum.

2017-12-20, 16:18	#7
aurashift Jan 2015 11·23 Posts	can you summarize PRP? If you do a PRP and discover something, are you the discoverer or is the LL'er? Does PRP take less resources?

2017-12-20, 16:40	#9
aurashift Jan 2015 11·23 Posts	my h/w is already more error free than usual (ecc & server grade h/w), so is this not worth doing for me?

2017-12-20, 17:15	#11
VictordeHolland "Victor de Hollander" Aug 2011 the Netherlands 3²×131 Posts	So once everybody upgrades their software will the (new) PRP test be the standard for checking primality of mersenne candidates (instead of LL?). Or will they coexist?