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2021-06-14, 23:27   #133
tuckerkao

"Tucker Kao"
Jan 2020
Head Base M168202123

3·11·13 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by LaurV The best case scenario which would really crack me down, would be the following: Some white tuxedo guy comes here and make some crazy prediction about Mxx in 100M-digits being prime. He makes big fuss and convince some other guy to do the work for him. The other guy tests the Mxx. Mxx turns out to be prime. Would love to see the prophet's reaction (especially when the EFF money are awarded)
I understand the rule, if Ben Delo runs the PRPs, the prize will be his if any of them turn out to be the Mersenne Prime.

Quote:
 Originally Posted by VBCurtis Mr Delo, I appreciate your sense of humor! I'm sad this kid actually gets his wish instead of doing it himself, but it's really quite something for you to help him out. :)
I've only asked to borrow 3 of Ben Delo's hundreds of fast computational engines. I will finish the P-1 and trial factoring tasks first.

I'll also run some of the PRP tests myself, but it's really not my fault that the new video card models are way above the MSP $. Last fiddled with by tuckerkao on 2021-06-14 at 23:31 2021-06-14, 23:39 #134 chalsall If I May "Chris Halsall" Sep 2002 Barbados 3·72·67 Posts Quote:  Originally Posted by tuckerkao Which really makes me thinking there's indeed an unknown Mersenne Prime hidden in 1 of around 1,200 exponents of the 168,***,*23 collection. Billionaires smell the unrevealed money quicker than most other people. This is a bit like watching a James Veitch video backward. Funny in its own quirky way... 2021-06-15, 00:33 #135 moebius Jul 2009 Germany 607 Posts Quote:  Originally Posted by tuckerkao I understand the rule, if Ben Delo runs the PRPs, the prize will be his if any of them turn out to be the Mersenne Prime. Is the$ 3000 award for an undefined Mersenne prime still actually? The costs for the Amazon instances for > = 2 years will probably be higher. In the area in which he currently works, he will hardly be able to bag the EFF money award.

2021-06-15, 01:29   #136
Uncwilly
6809 > 6502

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Aug 2003
101×103 Posts

2·32·19·29 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by tuckerkao Which really makes me thinking there's indeed an unknown Mersenne Prime hidden in 1 of around 1,200 exponents of the 168,***,*23 collection. Billionaires smell the unrevealed money quicker than most other people.
As has been noted by another poster, he has likely already paid more in fees for compute than the prize money. Also, I would not doubt that he is also responsible for most of the difference between the totals in this post and this one.. Likely not every cent of it, but much of it. Most likely his motivation in throwing you a bone lies somewhere other than money.

2021-06-15, 04:16   #137
slandrum

Jan 2021
California

2·89 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by tuckerkao Like LaurV said before, nobody can really see what exactly have been packaged inside each exponent until the box is fully opened, so it'll be a marathon contest between UncWilly and me because he believes that every exponent that I'm going to test will be composite, thus if a Mersenne Prime ever lands under my name, then he will have learn the math in the different ways.
IF this occurs, it will demonstrate exactly NOTHING mathematically. All it will show is that you had a lucky random guess. Just like picking a winning Lotto ticket - there's no skill in that (OK, there's some actual skill in maximizing expectation for your lotto numbers, picking numbers that are less likely to be picked by others will decrease the chance you will have to split the prize if your ticket is a winner - free hint, don't pick 1,2,3,4,5,6 - you'll be sorely disappointed with the payout if it hits).

Until and unless you can show a mathematical basis for your guesses (and not mystic mumbo-jumbo, base 12 is magic, or "this extremely small sample size suggests that..") your guesses actually mean nothing and might as well be random. Now there are a lot of possible candidates for Mersenne Primes, so picking some silly basis for your guesses is probably no worse than just taking the next one in line (except that it takes longer to test than the smaller untested numbers).

Last fiddled with by slandrum on 2021-06-15 at 04:18

 2021-06-15, 05:26 #138 axn     Jun 2003 140016 Posts Exactly this. Frankly, I expect with the amount of cranks that pass thru this forum, eventually someone will get a lucky hit.
 2021-06-15, 05:35 #139 Uncwilly 6809 > 6502     """"""""""""""""""" Aug 2003 101×103 Posts 26BE16 Posts
2021-06-15, 17:18   #140
tuckerkao

"Tucker Kao"
Jan 2020
Head Base M168202123

1101011012 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by slandrum "this extremely small sample size suggests that..") your guesses actually mean nothing and might as well be random.
UncWilly already said that the sample size of the trial factoring and P-1 have to be at least 300 to advance to the statistic arena, so I won't have any conclusion until I have at least 288 unfactored cases turned in because I already found 12 factors within the M168M range.
https://www.mersenne.ca/status/tf/0/20210201/4/16800

I'm still waiting for the moment when I will have the 1st factor found between 2^75 to 2^78 from a M168M exponent.

There are around 1,200 total available M168,***,*23 exponents, so the sample size should eventually match up the standard, slightly less than 200 of them have been touched as of today.

Last fiddled with by tuckerkao on 2021-06-15 at 17:24

2021-06-15, 18:18   #141
Uncwilly
6809 > 6502

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Aug 2003
101×103 Posts

2×32×19×29 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by tuckerkao UncWilly already said that the sample size of the trial factoring and P-1 have to be at least 300 to advance to the statistic arena,
That is watermelons vs. bowling balls. Figuring out if your factoring work is tracking what it should be is 1 thing. Finding a new prime is something totally different. Your monomania for baseless base claims has blinded you to reality.

2021-06-17, 18:23   #142
tuckerkao

"Tucker Kao"
Jan 2020
Head Base M168202123

3×11×13 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Viliam Furik If he doesn't want to be advised, let him be and don't waste your time. We've got a saying here, in Slovakia: "Kto chce kam, pomôžme mu tam." Roughly translated as "Who wants (to go) where, let's help them there." If he wants a liquid cooler so much, you're better off recommending him one, than convincing him to choose an air cooler.
Those air cooler units come to the standard size to fit the regular CPU dimensions, but AMD Threadripper is wider, the PC seller doesn't have the dual air cooler units to fit from the top of MSI motherboard: TRX40 PRO WIFI ATX w/ WiFi 6, RGB, Dual LAN, 4 PCIe x16, 1 PCIe x1, 8 SATA3, 2 M.2 SATA/PCIe. Most Threadripper owners install the liquid cooling systems because of the modular dimensions.

I'll patiently wait for the new PC model, I can barely prepare up to 2 to 3 M168M exponents for Ben Delo to run the PRPs per week with my current PC.

M168174323, M168314323 and M168704323 have reached the PRP ready status (TF to 2^78 and P-1 finished), I don't know when Ben Delo will be online again, he can take those when he checks back here the next time.

Last fiddled with by tuckerkao on 2021-06-17 at 18:49

2021-06-17, 19:22   #143
Uncwilly
6809 > 6502

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Aug 2003
101×103 Posts

2×32×19×29 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by tuckerkao M168174323, M168314323 and M168704323 have reached the PRP ready status (TF to 2^78 and P-1 finished), I don't know when
You don't think that someone as smart as he is could automate the process if he wanted to?

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