PRP-VDF and the impact on DC's - Page 4

Fan Ming · 2020-07-26, 05:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncwilly

You have hijacked this thread enough. Go elsewhere.

This is not hijacking, as this is discussing the LL-DC assignment policy (proposed by George) impacted by the new PRP-VDF work.

Uncwilly · 2020-07-26, 14:34

The thread was about the impact of PRP-VDF on the strategic DCs and TCs and DC's in general. It started out in the strategic DC and TC thread.

Discussion on the merits of how to how upgrade users, the math behind the verification, and issues with runs are off-topic.

Aramis Wyler · 2020-07-31, 03:28

Popular anti-rape phraseology in the US these days is relevant, I think:
If it's not a yes, it's a no.

And the point is that silence does not imply consent. You don't get to say, "Welp, they didn't say no, therefore I can have my way with them."

No means no, and if it's not a yes, it's a no. No forced upgrades.

But I would remove LL first time tests from the available work types the very day V30 is put on the Mersenne downloads page, and combine PRP and LL first time results. I don't think a 200% bonus for PRPs is necessary. Give anyone requesting a first time LL an LL DCs.

Uncwilly · 2020-07-31, 04:03

I would give them a while to transition, 3-6 months after v30 is official.
The server should include additional messages akin to

Code:

PLEASE UPGRADE TO THE LATEST VERSION OF PRIME95.  It includes an important major testing upgrade.
Machines not upgraded soon will be no longer given first time tests.

Alex · 2020-08-17, 19:17

Hi.
I have several ideas.

1) How to obtain the consent of users to upgrade their software.
We all have the page "View the CPU's in your account" (https://www.mersenne.org/cpus/)
The consent checkbox may be added on it and each user can confirm the choice for all computers at once.

2) Second stage - silent users because of any reason.
At first - publish an official announcement that types of work "LL first test", "LL-WR" and "LL-100M" will be abolished soon and users should upgrade their software to v30 or switch to another type of work.
Otherwise them turns into "GIMPS - what makes sense [default]".
After that LL-D welcomes :-)
This way is legally used by some providers when changing tariff plans.

3) Prime95 - rebrand into - Prime2020
"95" and "2020" can be reasonably considered the major number in software versioning.

Uncwilly · 2020-08-17, 19:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

1) How to obtain the consent of users to upgrade their software.
We all have the page "View the CPU's in your account" (https://www.mersenne.org/cpus/)
The consent checkbox may be added on it and each user can confirm the choice for all computers at once.

There is no mechanism in Prime95 to accept a forced upgrade from the server. So this can't be implemented.

#2 is being done from a server side eventually. You get the task you are given.

#3 Rebranding GIMPS and Prime95 is not on the table until George leaves the land of the living.

kruoli · 2020-08-17, 19:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncwilly

#3 Rebranding GIMPS and Prime95 is not on the table until George leaves the land of the living.

Wow, is this something set in stone?

That sounds rather harsh.

Alex · 2020-08-17, 21:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncwilly

...

#1 and #2 - are both about users` consents to switch type of work. Surelly, they should manually upgrade their software.
#3 - They are George`s projects, surelly only he must decide to.

kriesel · 2020-08-18, 00:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by kruoli

Wow, is this something set in stone?

That sounds rather harsh.

Perhaps a gentler way to put it is, it's George's creation, and he can name it whatever he likes. It's a quarter-century-long development project, roughly.
Also, the version numbering is tied in with that of the gwnum library used also in other programs, as I recall.

kriesel · 2021-04-17, 15:02

From https://www.mersenne.org/report_milestones/
Progress toward next GIMPS milestones (last updated 2021-04-17 14:30:05 UTC, updates every 15 minutes)
Countdown to verifying all tests below M(57 885 161): 15 124
Countdown to verifying all tests below M(74 207 281): 311 767
Countdown to verifying all tests below M(77 232 917): 367 382
Countdown to verifying all tests below M(82 589 933): 466 099

Relative to post 30, 2020 July 25, ~266 days ago (https://www.timeanddate.com/date/dur...&d2=17&y2=2021)
Extrapolating the same rate of completion going forward, which is optimistic for several reasons:

Mp#48* (60635-15124)/266 = 171.1/day; 88 days at least to go (shorter-interval calculations indicate longer)
Mp#49* (368749-311767)/266 = 214.2/day; 1455+ days to go (~4 years)
Mp#50* (424809-367382)/266 = 215.9/day; 1701+ days to go (~4.66 years)
Mp#51* (523697-466099)/266 = 216.5/day; 2152+ days to go (~5.9 years)

slandrum · 2021-04-17, 17:46

Over the next few months there may be some acceleration in the DC progress as the server now no longer hands out FTC LL assignment, but will hand out LL DC instead.

2020-07-31, 03:28	#36
Aramis Wyler "Bill Staffen" Jan 2013 Pittsburgh, PA, USA 2³·53 Posts	Popular anti-rape phraseology in the US these days is relevant, I think: If it's not a yes, it's a no. And the point is that silence does not imply consent. You don't get to say, "Welp, they didn't say no, therefore I can have my way with them." No means no, and if it's not a yes, it's a no. No forced upgrades. But I would remove LL first time tests from the available work types the very day V30 is put on the Mersenne downloads page, and combine PRP and LL first time results. I don't think a 200% bonus for PRPs is necessary. Give anyone requesting a first time LL an LL DCs. Last fiddled with by Aramis Wyler on 2020-07-31 at 03:28

2020-07-31, 04:03	#37
Uncwilly 6809 > 6502 """"""""""""""""""" Aug 2003 101×103 Posts 2³·1,223 Posts	I would give them a while to transition, 3-6 months after v30 is official. The server should include additional messages akin to Code: PLEASE UPGRADE TO THE LATEST VERSION OF PRIME95. It includes an important major testing upgrade. Machines not upgraded soon will be no longer given first time tests.

2021-04-17, 15:02	#43
kriesel "TF79LL86GIMPS96gpu17" Mar 2017 US midwest 2×7×383 Posts	From https://www.mersenne.org/report_milestones/ Progress toward next GIMPS milestones (last updated 2021-04-17 14:30:05 UTC, updates every 15 minutes) Countdown to verifying all tests below M(57 885 161): 15 124 Countdown to verifying all tests below M(74 207 281): 311 767 Countdown to verifying all tests below M(77 232 917): 367 382 Countdown to verifying all tests below M(82 589 933): 466 099 Relative to post 30, 2020 July 25, ~266 days ago (https://www.timeanddate.com/date/dur...&d2=17&y2=2021) Extrapolating the same rate of completion going forward, which is optimistic for several reasons: Mp#48* (60635-15124)/266 = 171.1/day; 88 days at least to go (shorter-interval calculations indicate longer) Mp#49* (368749-311767)/266 = 214.2/day; 1455+ days to go (~4 years) Mp#50* (424809-367382)/266 = 215.9/day; 1701+ days to go (~4.66 years) Mp#51* (523697-466099)/266 = 216.5/day; 2152+ days to go (~5.9 years) Last fiddled with by kriesel on 2021-04-17 at 15:05

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2020-07-26, 14:34	#35
Uncwilly 6809 > 6502 """"""""""""""""""" Aug 2003 101×103 Posts 2³×1,223 Posts	The thread was about the impact of PRP-VDF on the strategic DCs and TCs and DC's in general. It started out in the strategic DC and TC thread. Discussion on the merits of how to how upgrade users, the math behind the verification, and issues with runs are off-topic.

2020-08-17, 19:17	#38
Alex "Alex_soldier (GIMPS)" Aug 2020 www.Mersenne.ru 2×3 Posts	Hi. I have several ideas. 1) How to obtain the consent of users to upgrade their software. We all have the page "View the CPU's in your account" (https://www.mersenne.org/cpus/) The consent checkbox may be added on it and each user can confirm the choice for all computers at once. 2) Second stage - silent users because of any reason. At first - publish an official announcement that types of work "LL first test", "LL-WR" and "LL-100M" will be abolished soon and users should upgrade their software to v30 or switch to another type of work. Otherwise them turns into "GIMPS - what makes sense [default]". After that LL-D welcomes :-) This way is legally used by some providers when changing tariff plans. 3) Prime95 - rebrand into - Prime2020 "95" and "2020" can be reasonably considered the major number in software versioning.

2021-04-17, 17:46	#44
slandrum Jan 2021 California 11×13 Posts	Over the next few months there may be some acceleration in the DC progress as the server now no longer hands out FTC LL assignment, but will hand out LL DC instead.