Manic of a panic is geopolitical

[a1call]

Here is one link:

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/2263240002

[kriesel]

Originally Posted by a1call

I find that highly unwise/dangerous and irresponsible to post to a public forum at a time like this ... Even things as simple as vinegar are dangerous to the eyes and there are guidances on medical literature against it.

Seconded. Even the allergists' recommended neti pot washes, weak sodium bicarbonate & chloride solution, can on occasion cause irritation, or significant illness. Imagine a small bacterial or viral colony established in a biofilm in the sinuses, patient is subclinical. Now take them into solution to establish colonies all throughout the sinuses, like a bunch of pathogens hitching a ride at a water park. And incubate a bit. Patient is feverish and bedridden due to widespread sinus infection. https://sinucleanse.com/

[Dr Sardonicus]

When I was taking care of my mom, her physician recommended an over-the-counbter kit for rinsing out the nasal passages, sold OTC by NeilMed. The kit is just a plastic squeeze bottle and pre-measured packets of salts. You dissolve a packet of salts in a squeeze bottle of distilled water.

The rinse is just to get crud out of the nasal passages, but that it did, and it was enough to improve my mom's ability to breathe through her nose considerably. And that's mainly what these things are for -- relief for nasal passages clogged with snot, and/or irritated by pollen or other things.

One thing I'd be worried about with putting alcohol in the nose and eyes is the irritation it might cause. You might avoid the virus, but wind up with watery eyes, a drippy nose, and sneezing fits all the same! Or, the irritation might indicate actual injury to the tissues, which then might be susceptible to all sorts of infections.

Then too, the antiseptic might upset the normal community of microbes that are constantly slugging it out with each other -- and with any opportunistic pathogens that might show up at the party.

I'd guess that hand-washing and disinfecting surfaces is the most practical approach to keeping the virus at bay. Imagine...

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Your filthy hands touch a virus-ridden surface. And then, a bit later... a little itch near your mouth. Or your eyes. Or, a little tickle in your nose. Fingers to the rescue, and -- Boom!

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If you inhale the virus, it's reasonably likely to go right past anywhere you might try to rinse or disinfect. So blocking that port of entry would have to be further upstream -- like everyone wearing masks.

[a1call]

Seems to be getting more mainstream:

Doctors push for treatment of coronavirus with blood from recovered patients

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...ients-n1158476

[kladner]

When I have a cold or other congestion I mix up some mild saline solution, snort it up my nose and let it drain out of my mouth. It's great for loosening up crud, and it diminishes the funky sense of smell that colds induce in me.

My Mom could do this in the opposite direction. She could gargle saline, close her mouth and drive it up and out of her nose. I cannot replicate this. But then, she had the genetically determined ability to roll her tongue laterally, which I do not. Perhaps there were other muscular abilities further back in her mouth and throat, or just a different gag reflex control than I have.

[LaurV]

Originally Posted by xilman

The situation must be really serious if people are panic-buying real ale.

(from the web)



Actually, joking apart, here in Thai we are quite comfortable, no restrictions yet, but we have seen some "scary messages" received by our daughter in Adelaide, from local Aussie supermarket chains and shops (Coles, Woolworths, Foodland, etc), about shopping restriction for a lot of things, as well as photos with empty shelves, sent by friends there.

Here, yet, luckily, no issue, and most goods are produced locally, and abundant (Thailand exports all these things), all shelves are full, life's good.

(photo by swmbo last night shopping)

[xilman]

Perhaps a musical interlude might cheer some of the people here. With that in mind I present https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO74GSl-NSk

[Dr Sardonicus]

For those who want something a bit more soothing, here is a somewhat different musical interlude.

An entire Mass is probably too much, but in Charles Gounod's Saint Cecilia Mass there is a short interlude between the Credo and the Sanctus, called the Offertoire (Invocation or Offertory).

Note: Ad blocking is a must!

[kriesel]

From Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashb...23467b48e9ecf6
As of now, 5550/(71718+5550) = .0718 = 7.18% fatality rate among resolved cases (recovered or died)
147838-71718-5550 = 70,570 identified cases have outcomes yet to be determined
These are the worldwide figures.

In the US, the numbers are currently too small to compute a credible country-specific case fatality rate:
2175 total cases diagnosed
37 WA fatalities
4 CA
2 FL
1 GA
1 NJ
1 SD
46 total
CA 6 recovered;
IL 2
AZ 1
MA 1
WA 1
WI 1
12 total
The bulk of the US fatalities, 31, are from one nursing home in WA (Washington state), a location one might expect dominated by both advanced age and preexisting medical conditions, risk factors for fatalities

[Dr Sardonicus]

When I think of those enterprising folks selling phony coronavirus remedies, I hearken back to the old, original Star Trek, and one of its recurring characters:

KIRK: Who caught you?

MUDD: That, sir, is an outrageous assumption.

KIRK: Yes. Who caught you?

MUDD: I sold the Denebians all the rights to a Vulcan fuel synthesiser.

KIRK: And the Denebians contacted the Vulcans.

MUDD: How'd you know?

KIRK: That's what I would have done.

MUDD: It's typical police mentality. They've got no sense of humour. They arrested me.

MCCOY: Oh, I find that shocking.

MUDD: Worse than that. Do know what the penalty for fraud is on Deneb Five?

SPOCK: The guilty party has his choice. Death by electrocution, death by gas, death by phaser, death by hanging.

MUDD: The key word in your entire peroration, Mister Spock, was, death. Barbarians. Well, of course, I left.

-- I, Mudd
Stardate: 4513.3
Original Airdate: 3 Nov, 1967

[Uncwilly]

Originally Posted by kriesel

The bulk of the US fatalities, 31, are from one nursing home in WA (Washington state), a location one might expect dominated by both advanced age and preexisting medical conditions, risk factors for fatalities

The proper term is "Skill Nursing Facility" SNF (pronounced sniff).