ntdll.dll error when starting Prime95 from a task scheduler action - Page 2

pokemonlover123 · 2019-03-28, 19:36

SFC returned no integrity violation and the no tray selection didn't do anything. I'll continue doing research.

pokemonlover123 · 2019-03-28, 19:58

Okay so I found something weird. It seems that the process starts Prime95 fine, because it shows up in task manager and it disappears properly when I unplug (I have it set to stop when I switch back to battery power). The process starts, and it isn't a ghost process. However, the access violation keeps it from ever actually doing stuff. The icon never appears and it never does any calculations, and then it stops after about 10-15 seconds. All this leads me to think it's either a windows bug or a prime95 bug. Trying to come up with a way to debug.

Uncwilly · 2019-03-28, 22:15

Where are your data files for Prime95? If they are in Program Files, that might be your issue.

pokemonlover123 · 2019-03-28, 22:32

All of the data files are in a folder on my desktop. The task scheduler has working dir set to that folder. All files are owned by my user account, which is also the account the task is run under.

pokemonlover123 · 2019-03-28, 22:37

At this point I'm convinced this is a bug and not a problem with my computer or my configuration. I think I'm gonna email a bug report to George Woltmann tomorrow (as specified on the bottom of the software download page) and get some developer input on this. Hopefully they can figure out what's actually going wrong.

Uncwilly · 2019-03-28, 22:39

He is here on the forum. He just might not have logged in yet.

pokemonlover123 · 2019-03-28, 22:41

Oh yeah. He's the Prime95 account right? Hopefully he'll see this and offer input

Prime95 · 2019-03-29, 02:12

You are well beyond Windows internals that I am familiar with.

My guess is that it may have something to do with being able to run prime95 as either a normal app or as a service (until Microsoft broke this cool feature several years ago).

The relevant code is:

Code:

	GetStartupInfo (&sui);
	if (sui.dwFlags == 0 || (sui.dwFlags & STARTF_USESHOWWINDOW)) {
		return (WinMainCRTStartup ());
	}

If STARTF_USESHOWWINDOW is not set prime95 tries to run as a service.

Good luck!

sdbardwick · 2019-03-29, 03:33

I wonder if using the service version and putting NET START and NET STOP in batch files would work...

pokemonlover123 · 2019-03-29, 09:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prime95

You are well beyond Windows internals that I am familiar with.

My guess is that it may have something to do with being able to run prime95 as either a normal app or as a service (until Microsoft broke this cool feature several years ago).

The relevant code is:

Code:

	GetStartupInfo (&sui);
	if (sui.dwFlags == 0 || (sui.dwFlags & STARTF_USESHOWWINDOW)) {
		return (WinMainCRTStartup ());
	}

If STARTF_USESHOWWINDOW is not set prime95 tries to run as a service.

Good luck!

I suppose that it might be that task scheduler doesnt pass STARTF_USESHOWWINDOW to the programs it runs! That may be causing prime95 to try to run as a service, causing the access violation. I've found a workaround for now, that doesnt require batch files. Have the task run cmd, then parameters are /C path/to/prine95

pokemonlover123 · 2019-03-29, 13:18

What would happen if the flag STARTF_USESHOWWINDOWS wasn't set and the program still tried to run as a program rather than a service? Would building from source and changing that part to remove the check for that flag work? Or would another error occur from not being passed that flag?

2019-03-28, 19:36	#12
pokemonlover123 Mar 2016 5·11 Posts	No Dice SFC returned no integrity violation and the no tray selection didn't do anything. I'll continue doing research.

2019-03-28, 19:58	#13
pokemonlover123 Mar 2016 67₈ Posts	Okay so I found something weird. It seems that the process starts Prime95 fine, because it shows up in task manager and it disappears properly when I unplug (I have it set to stop when I switch back to battery power). The process starts, and it isn't a ghost process. However, the access violation keeps it from ever actually doing stuff. The icon never appears and it never does any calculations, and then it stops after about 10-15 seconds. All this leads me to think it's either a windows bug or a prime95 bug. Trying to come up with a way to debug. Last fiddled with by pokemonlover123 on 2019-03-28 at 20:00

2019-03-28, 22:37	#16
pokemonlover123 Mar 2016 5×11 Posts	This is most likely a bug At this point I'm convinced this is a bug and not a problem with my computer or my configuration. I think I'm gonna email a bug report to George Woltmann tomorrow (as specified on the bottom of the software download page) and get some developer input on this. Hopefully they can figure out what's actually going wrong.

2019-03-29, 02:12	#19
Prime95 P90 years forever! Aug 2002 Yeehaw, FL 1D6F₁₆ Posts	You are well beyond Windows internals that I am familiar with. My guess is that it may have something to do with being able to run prime95 as either a normal app or as a service (until Microsoft broke this cool feature several years ago). The relevant code is: Code: GetStartupInfo (&sui); if (sui.dwFlags == 0 \|\| (sui.dwFlags & STARTF_USESHOWWINDOW)) { return (WinMainCRTStartup ()); } If STARTF_USESHOWWINDOW is not set prime95 tries to run as a service. Good luck!

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2019-03-28, 22:15	#14
Uncwilly 6809 > 6502 """"""""""""""""""" Aug 2003 101×103 Posts 2·4,909 Posts	Where are your data files for Prime95? If they are in Program Files, that might be your issue.

2019-03-28, 22:32	#15
pokemonlover123 Mar 2016 67₈ Posts	All of the data files are in a folder on my desktop. The task scheduler has working dir set to that folder. All files are owned by my user account, which is also the account the task is run under.

2019-03-28, 22:39	#17
Uncwilly 6809 > 6502 """"""""""""""""""" Aug 2003 101×103 Posts 265A₁₆ Posts	He is here on the forum. He just might not have logged in yet.

2019-03-28, 22:41	#18
pokemonlover123 Mar 2016 37₁₆ Posts	Oh yeah. He's the Prime95 account right? Hopefully he'll see this and offer input

2019-03-29, 03:33	#20
sdbardwick Aug 2002 North San Diego County 5·137 Posts	I wonder if using the service version and putting NET START and NET STOP in batch files would work...

2019-03-29, 13:18	#22
pokemonlover123 Mar 2016 55₁₀ Posts	What would happen if the flag STARTF_USESHOWWINDOWS wasn't set and the program still tried to run as a program rather than a service? Would building from source and changing that part to remove the check for that flag work? Or would another error occur from not being passed that flag?