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"Kieren"
Jul 2011
In My Own Galaxy!
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Just asking.....
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Sep 2002
República de California
19·613 Posts |
The Making of Juan Guaidó: US Regime-Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader | Consortium News
Predictably, the usual establishment propaganda outlets are fully on board (as long as the regime-changing effort proceeds with the proper 'decorum' on the part of the democracy-loving neocons pushing it, mind you), the NYT with a "dangerous socialist dystopia!" tack (note I found the author's notion of Obama and his alleged promotion of "gentle regulation" gag-worthy, since the US was busily waging economic warfare on VZ during the whole of O's term, but that is a relatively minor blemish in an otherwise fine piece): Bret Stephens, the ‘Times,’ and Fearmongering Over Venezuela | The Nation As Glenn Greenwald notes, at least the neocons leading this latest imperial adventure are being honest about their motives! None of this is to say that the authoritarian Maduro is some kind of swell guy - but the empire has a history of supporting much worse actors when they are "on our side" ... again, supporting democracy is just a convenient pretext in this by-now-well-worn playbook. Last fiddled with by ewmayer on 2019-02-03 at 19:55 |
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Feb 2017
Nowhere
13·359 Posts |
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I don't know from what place the sun don't shine you drew your insinuation that I recited the real-world facts regarding the above "because" John Bolton and Eliot Abrams said them. Your subsequent assertion that you doan need no steenkin' evidence to back it up because "you're singing their song," and then dismissing out of hand all news reports supporting my statements, is pure Alice in Wonderland. I don't even know what "song" you're referring to. Evidently, your association with Bolton and Abrams is closer than my own. I stand by the factuality of my statements about the situation in Venezuela. And if you really believe that the decision by Caribbean nations to back Maduro really had nothing -- nothing at all --- to do with their dependence on Venezuelan oil, I've got a bridge in New York to sell you. And if you think Maduro wouldn't cut off their oil if they backed his opposition, I'll sell it to you twice. Does any of this justify the US sending in the troops? Of course not! I'm merely saying that the real crisis in Venezuela is the sorry mess that country is in, and that I hold its government primarily responsible. Besides, viewed from a purely pragmatic standpoint, the US associating itself with the opposition is harming the opposition and is therefore helpful to Maduro. As I indicated before, whether he stays or goes isn't up to anyone but the Venezuelan military. Any kind of foreign military adventure would put the kibosh on any inclination they might have to give Maduro the boot. I don't think the current head of the Venezuelan legislature is a "coup leader." Venezuela did have a coup -- back in 2002. If memory serves, it was not entirely successful. Under the Venezuelan Constitution of 1999, the head of the legislature has 30 days to call an election after declaring the Presidency vacant. Good luck with that. BTW, under the US Constitution, if Il Duce were deemed not to be President (say by reason of inability to serve), the first person in the line of succession is the Vice-President. The Speaker of the House is second. Since you brought up Eliot Abrams, I will mention that February 3 is the anniversary of what must have been a very bad day for him. On February 3, 1988, the US House of Representative voted against additional aid for the Contras. Reminiscing on that vote still makes me smile. Last fiddled with by Dr Sardonicus on 2019-02-04 at 14:12 |
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"Kieren"
Jul 2011
In My Own Galaxy!
2·3·1,693 Posts |
This sort of phrasing really precludes discussion.
Just so you know, the tune I am hearing is Them Good Old CIA-Driven Color Coup and Regime Change Blues. Quote:
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"Kieren"
Jul 2011
In My Own Galaxy!
2·3·1,693 Posts |
This story come down to, "Same as it ever was." The shameful history of the US in Latin America continues.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...t-be-resisted/ Quote:
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Feb 2017
Nowhere
13·359 Posts |
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I don't think Maduro's re-election was "democratic." And I also hold his (and Chavez' before him) regime primarily responsible for the sad state of affairs in Venezuela. One major contributing factor is the steep decline in oil prices in recent years. I reject the notion that the US even has the ability to cause something like that to happen, but WRT Venezuela it's beside the point. The point is, the crash in oil prices has for some years been, and still is, a fact. It was, and is, the job of the Venezuelan government, whose whole economic plan depends on oil revenues, to make policy decisions to deal with the change in circumstances. They haven't. That's inexcusable. H. L. Mencken's description of the US House of Representatives as "inept, corrupt, and disgusting" applies, in my estimation, a fortiori to the current regime in Caracas. That said... Just as I don't think the US is primarily responsible for Venezuela's current woes, I also don't think the US has the ability to remedy the situation. It would be disastrous -- for US interests -- if any organ of our government tried to install a new regime in Venezuela. As to the citizens of Venezuela, the situation is already a disaster. And it's affecting other countries much more acutely than it is the US. Colombia, for example, has a million Venezuelan refugees on its hands. I'm sure the Colombians would be thrilled if they could go home. I'm sure the refugees themselves would be even more thrilled. If your blood pressure is too low, I've got a sure cure. On the February 5, 2019 edition of National Public Radio's "Morning Edition," there's an interview with Marco Rubio. As of this posting, the transcript isn't available yet, but the MP3 file is there to download (7.1 MB, almost 8 minutes). Yessirree Bob, the good ol' USA has the right to send in the troops whenever our "national security interests" are affected
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"Kieren"
Jul 2011
In My Own Galaxy!
2×3×1,693 Posts |
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/01...he-full-story/
Any claim of a "Full Story" in such a fraught situation is a bit of a stretch. Still, this article covers a lot of ground and competing interests. Quote:
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Feb 2017
Nowhere
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"Kieren"
Jul 2011
In My Own Galaxy!
2×3×1,693 Posts |
https://www.thenation.com/article/ve...chile-allende/
Chile’s dead president has some advice from beyond the grave. By Ariel Dorfman Quote:
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Sep 2002
República de California
265778 Posts |
Did someone mention the US regime change manual?
Leaked Wikileaks Doc Reveals US Military Use of IMF, World Bank as “Unconventional” Weapons | Mint Press Quote:
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Feb 2017
Nowhere
13·359 Posts |
In a triumph for Socialist Realism, as described in PRESS RELEASES 69TH BERLINALE (February 4)
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Once upon a time, long long ago, a University colleague and I learned that a new math professor and his wife -- a Chinese couple -- were arriving in town. We helped them unload their rental truck so they could return it in a timely fashion. After they'd gotten settled in, they had us over for dinner. Chinese home cooking! The food was put in the middle of the table, and we helped ourselves. As we ate, we talked. They mentioned being to social functions at which Chen Jingrun was the guest of honor. It seems that he had grown up in poverty, and this had made its mark. As he went through the buffet line, they said, he would stuff rolls into his coat pockets. They described him as "very special." At one point, one of us asked, "How did you guys meet?" And they told us, in a very matter-of-fact way, that, during the Cultural Revolution, they had both been taken out of school and sent to work on the same collective farm. Last fiddled with by Dr Sardonicus on 2019-02-14 at 00:49 |
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