The Right Way to Keep Bare Gubs

[only_human]

In March a Texan woman on Facebook:

It would be horribly tragic if my ability to protect myself or my family were to be taken away, but that’s exactly what Democrats are determined to do by banning semi-automatic handguns.

Now three months later during a family dispute she shot her two daughters, killing them, and then was killed in turn by police when she wouldn't drop the gun.
Texas Woman Killed By Police After Fatally Shooting Her Two Daughters
This might not be enough a self-inflicted death of a Darwin Awards nature because of the suicide by cop aspects but surely extra credit may be awarded for taking out consanguineous relatives.

[wombatman]

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Pro...385784431.html

At least 4 officers are dead after two snipers shot at them from parking garages at the end of a protest/support march related to the two shooting deaths of black men by police officers caught on video.

Will be interesting to see if this shapes the gun debate at all.

[retina]

Originally Posted by only_human

Fixed that for her.

[ewmayer]

Originally Posted by wombatman

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Pro...385784431.html

At least 4 officers are dead after two snipers shot at them from parking garages at the end of a protest/support march related to the two shooting deaths of black men by police officers caught on video.

Will be interesting to see if this shapes the gun debate at all.

Push people past the breaking point – which it appears the latest spate of summary executions of “living while black” unfortunates by cops have done – bad things are gonna happen. Reap the whirlwind.

Haven’t seen anything more than basic description of the alleged suspect(s) yet, but would not surprise me if he/they were ex-military, based on the tactics used and the casualty counts. Which would be a kind a fitting irony, as militarization of PDs nationwide (a side effect of our elites’ Imperial Adventures around the world – mustn’t let those surplus MRAPs and grenade launchers languish!) appears to be highly correlated with the epidemic of jackbooted-thuggery incidents by cops.

Ugly, sad night in Dallas. In my neck of the woods protestors have shut down the I-880 freeway in Oakland, though peacefully so far.

[wombatman]

Originally Posted by ewmayer

Push people past the breaking point – which it appears the latest spate of summary executions of “living while black” unfortunates by cops have done – bad things are gonna happen. Reap the whirlwind.

Haven’t seen anything more than basic description of the alleged suspect(s) yet, but would not surprise me if he/they were ex-military, based on the tactics used and the casualty counts. Which would be a kind a fitting irony, as militarization of PDs nationwide (a side effect of our elites’ Imperial Adventures around the world – mustn’t let those surplus MRAPs and grenade launchers languish!) appears to be highly correlated with the epidemic of jackbooted-thuggery incidents by cops.

Ugly, sad night in Dallas. In my neck of the woods protestors have shut down the I-880 freeway in Oakland, though peacefully so far.

From all accounts, including those of the police chief and mayor, the protest itself was perfectly peaceful. There were even images of police officers posing with members of the protest, all of them smiling.

At least two snipers were set up on parking garages at the end of the march. It was an ambush set up specifically to target officers, but it wasn't members of the march. From what I'm seeing, at least one of the shooters has been apprehended.

[ewmayer]

Originally Posted by wombatman

From all accounts, including those of the police chief and mayor, the protest itself was perfectly peaceful. There were even images of police officers posing with members of the protest, all of them smiling.

At least two snipers were set up on parking garages at the end of the march. It was an ambush set up specifically to target officers, but it wasn't members of the march. From what I'm seeing, at least one of the shooters has been apprehended.

I wasn't blaming members of the march - everyone's breaking point is different.

[wombatman]

Originally Posted by ewmayer

I wasn't blaming members of the march - everyone's breaking point is different.

Didn't intend to imply you were. Just wanted to provide the information I knew about it. Based on some video of one of the shooters, I think you're right with the military training. The way he moved was tactical and with purpose.

[MooMoo2]

Originally Posted by ewmayer

Push people past the breaking point – which it appears the latest spate of summary executions of “living while black” unfortunates by cops have done – bad things are gonna happen. Reap the whirlwind.

Thuggish cops are the issue here, not race. If the victims were white, behaved the same way, and were stopped by the same cops, the same thing would have happened.

[Brian-E]

Originally Posted by MooMoo2

Thuggish cops are the issue here, not race. If the victims were white, behaved the same way, and were stopped by the same cops, the same thing would have happened.

That's a difficult statement to refute categorically, but I question its credibility. Wouldn't you expect a strong correlation between thuggishness (under any reasonable definition of that word) and racism in cops?

You do, I hope, acknowledge that racism is rampant in human societies, and that police officers are not immune from it?

[kladner]

Originally Posted by MooMoo2

Thuggish cops are the issue here, not race. If the victims were white, behaved the same way, and were stopped by the same cops, the same thing would have happened.

I seriously doubt that would be the case. Besides, far more African American drivers are stopped, percentage-wise, than Caucasians. This alone suggests the 'possibility' of police prejudice or profiling.

I am a Caucasian male, and have been stopped on a lonely stretch of South Texas highway for having a headlight out on a rainy day. The state trooper asked a bunch of highly inappropriate questions about where I had been, where I lived, and who I had associated with. I answered blandly. He then left me to sit for about 20 minutes, and came back to give me a Warning ticket for a "headlight out on a rainy day." This was between the Mexican border and the ~75 mile inland ICE stations.

I was well aware of how things could go, and maintained a quiet manner throughout. It was total bullshit, legally, but it was out on a highway which had very little traffic that morning. The cop could do anything and say anything about what happened. However, I was not aware of him even fondling his gun. I am fairly confident that would not have been the case if I had been black or brown. He would have started with spread-eagled on the car in the rain while he ransacked the car. This is in the border zone, where the rules are scarily different. But I'm white and white-haired, in an area that depends on Winter Texan retirees for income. An older white dude who doesn't give the cop any excuses is in a much better situation than an M-A or A-A guy, regardless of demeanor.

[MooMoo2]

Originally Posted by Brian-E

That's a difficult statement to refute categorically, but I question its credibility. Wouldn't you expect a strong correlation between thuggishness (under any reasonable definition of that word) and racism in cops?

Some stats:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/18/up...says.html?_r=0

For the entire country, 28.9 percent of arrestees were African-American. This number is not very different from the 31.8 percent of police-shooting victims who were African-Americans. If police discrimination were a big factor in the actual killings, we would have expected a larger gap between the arrest rate and the police-killing rate.

This in turn suggests that removing police racial bias will have little effect on the killing rate. Suppose each arrest creates an equal risk of shooting for both African-Americans and whites. In that case, with the current arrest rate, 28.9 percent of all those killed by police officers would still be African-American.

Originally Posted by kladner

far more African American drivers are stopped, percentage-wise, than Caucasians. This alone suggests the 'possibility' of police prejudice or profiling.

No, it doesn't. If you're a cop, it's almost impossible to tell the race of the driver when you're pulling him/her over. Can you tell whether the driver of the white car in the attached picture is black or white?