[$]Recent-update-has-broken-the-dollar-sign[/$] - Page 3

Dubslow · 2016-02-04, 00:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgbeuning

My residue are non-zero after changing this line in the Makefile

CUFLAGS = -O$(OptLevel) --generate-code arch=compute_20,code=sm_20 --compiler-options=-Wall -I$(CUINC)

Maybe the program could check if the executable file is not compatible with the
hardware it is running on.

It is running 2 double checks. Will know results in 7 days.

I submit this as yet more evidence that the $ delimiter should be disabled

chalsall · 2016-02-04, 01:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dubslow

I submit this as yet more evidence that the $ delimiter should be disabled

Yeah. That was a really stupid idea.

A simple sentence like "It cost me $100 dollars for $10 worth of kit" should not be converted into T_EX.

Mark Rose · 2016-02-04, 01:28

A delimiter of [tex] would make more sense..

Dubslow · 2016-02-04, 01:33

Or [t] for inline math, like $, and [tex] for "set apart" (can't think of the right term) math, like previously (and I believe that there's other new delimiters for it currently as well).

LaurV · 2016-02-04, 02:53

The point is that when you set that new tool, there is a config file where you select/enable the delimiting character. It can only be one character, enabled, or disabled. And choosing the $ was somehow in line with other math editors - the choice is from MathJax, not from Mike. A lot of work was put into it already on this forum (changing the old posts which were broken, etc) and reverting it would mean the same amount of work again, done backwards. It is not simple. Mike's mistake was that he didn't ask the forum before doing the change, some guy would have spotted the troubles (maybe not me, but we have good analysts here!) and suggest not to. But the choice was not "stupid". Silly, at most.

Maybe we can contribute constructively? (right click on any formula in the forum, select mathjax help, read around, come with a better idea? Or go here, or directly here, where you can read exactly about our problem!). Read before commenting. Substituting the character is not a good idea, my opinion. First, it is not easy, like just substituting in a config text file. Still needs a lot of work, and need documented for the newcomers, and it is not in line with other math editors.

I really like the new math rendering. It looks better, it respects proportions of indexes and powers, it accepts standard latex defines and libraries, thousand of features compared with our initial rendering [tex] tag.

axn · 2016-02-04, 03:09

Since this is client side rendering, all you need is to block everything from www dot mersenneforum dot org/MathJax/*, et voila!

axn · 2016-02-04, 03:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaurV

The point is that when you set that new tool, there is a config file where you select/enable the delimiting character. It can only be one character, enabled, or disabled. And choosing the $ was somehow in line with other math editors - the choice is from MathJax, not from Mike.

From your URL

Quote:

The default math delimiters are \$\$...\$\$ and \ [...\ ] for displayed mathematics, and \ (...\ ) for in-line mathematics. Note in particular that the \$...\$ in-line delimiters are not used by default. That is because dollar signs appear too often in non-mathematical settings, which could cause some text to be treated as mathematics unexpectedly. For example, with single-dollar delimiters, ”... the cost is \$2.50 for the first one, and \$2.00 for each additional one ...” would cause the phrase “2.50 for the first one, and” to be treated as mathematics since it falls between dollar signs. For this reason, if you want to use single-dollars for in-line math mode, you must enable that explicitly in your configuration:

So it would seem that Mike failed to notice the recommendation from MathJax itself and overrode their default settings, and walked straight into a whole lot of deep doodoo.

Dubslow · 2016-02-08, 14:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by xtreme2k

I am actually surprised the difference between 6700K and others (6600/K/6500) are quite huge in applications such as rendering, encoding, sysmark and others. (Ignoring P95 for now)
Their costs difference is around $150, As a % of the overall system is only going to be about 10-15% (say a system for about $1K-1.5K), and yet you are taking a hit up to around 30% (up to around 40-45% in worst case) in performance.

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1543?vs=1544
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/500..._i7-6700K.html

Yet more evidence that the $ delimiter is confusing and unintuitive to most people

Xyzzy · 2016-02-08, 20:07

We are experimenting with a fix to the "problem".

In the message window there are two new buttons. If you select your text and click one of them they surround the selected text with the appropriate tag.

So you have options:

Code:

The BB Code [$]...[/$] will do "inline" MathJax.
The BB Code [$$]...[/$$] will do "displayed" MathJax.

\(...\) will do "inline" MathJax.
\[...\] will do "displayed" MathJax.

$$...$$ will do "displayed" MathJax

Obviously, there is a big mess for us to clean up with all of the older posts.

And something might still be broken. Please let us know if there is!

science_man_88 · 2016-02-08, 20:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xyzzy

We are experimenting with a fix to the "problem".

In the message window there are two new buttons. If you select your text and click one of them they surround the selected text with the appropriate tag.

So you have options:

Code:

The BB Code [$]...[/$] will do "inline" MathJax.
The BB Code [$$]...[/$$] will do "displayed" MathJax.

\(...\) will do "inline" MathJax.
\[...\] will do "displayed" MathJax.

$$...$$ will do "displayed" MathJax

Obviously, there is a big mess for us to clean up with all of the older posts.

And something might still be broken. Please let us know if there is!

at least you have the list of the ones I sent you if you ever change your mind.

WraithX · 2016-02-09, 00:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xyzzy

We are experimenting with a fix to the "problem".

In the message window there are two new buttons. If you select your text and click one of them they surround the selected text with the appropriate tag.

So you have options:

Code:

The BB Code [$]...[/$] will do "inline" MathJax.
The BB Code [$$]...[/$$] will do "displayed" MathJax.

\(...\) will do "inline" MathJax.
\[...\] will do "displayed" MathJax.

$$...$$ will do "displayed" MathJax

Obviously, there is a big mess for us to clean up with all of the older posts.

And something might still be broken. Please let us know if there is!

I really like these new options! From what I've seen, it looks like all of the original/unedited $ threads have gone back to normal.

Thanks for making this change! And, of course, thanks for adding MathJax to the forum!

2016-02-04, 02:53	#27
LaurV Romulan Interpreter Jun 2011 Thailand 9612₁₀ Posts	The point is that when you set that new tool, there is a config file where you select/enable the delimiting character. It can only be one character, enabled, or disabled. And choosing the $ was somehow in line with other math editors - the choice is from MathJax, not from Mike. A lot of work was put into it already on this forum (changing the old posts which were broken, etc) and reverting it would mean the same amount of work again, done backwards. It is not simple. Mike's mistake was that he didn't ask the forum before doing the change, some guy would have spotted the troubles (maybe not me, but we have good analysts here!) and suggest not to. But the choice was not "stupid". Silly, at most. Maybe we can contribute constructively? (right click on any formula in the forum, select mathjax help, read around, come with a better idea? Or go here, or directly here, where you can read exactly about our problem!). Read before commenting. Substituting the character is not a good idea, my opinion. First, it is not easy, like just substituting in a config text file. Still needs a lot of work, and need documented for the newcomers, and it is not in line with other math editors. I really like the new math rendering. It looks better, it respects proportions of indexes and powers, it accepts standard latex defines and libraries, thousand of features compared with our initial rendering [tex] tag. Last fiddled with by LaurV on 2016-02-04 at 03:07 Reason: totally bad phrasing - it happens when I am in hurry and a bit angry (not related to the current subject. but to RL)

2016-02-04, 03:09	#28
axn Jun 2003 31×163 Posts	Since this is client side rendering, all you need is to block everything from www dot mersenneforum dot org/MathJax/, et voila! Last fiddled with by axn on 2016-02-04 at 03:11 Reason: don't want clickable link*

2016-02-08, 20:07	#31
Xyzzy "Mike" Aug 2002 2020₁₆ Posts	We are experimenting with a fix to the "problem". In the message window there are two new buttons. If you select your text and click one of them they surround the selected text with the appropriate tag. So you have options: Code: The BB Code [$]...[/$] will do "inline" MathJax. The BB Code [$$]...[/$$] will do "displayed" MathJax. \(...\) will do "inline" MathJax. \[...\] will do "displayed" MathJax. $$...$$ will do "displayed" MathJax Obviously, there is a big mess for us to clean up with all of the older posts. And something might still be broken. Please let us know if there is!

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