[$]Recent-update-has-broken-the-dollar-sign[/$] - Page 2

Mini-Geek · 2016-01-07, 03:31

I wonder if a \ before the Symbol Which Shan't Be Named will fix it?

\$hello\$

(source for that is:)

Code:

\$hello\$

/me clicks preview

Yes, it does! So we have a workaround, if you know that's what you need to do (and you could do a find/replace in the database of older posts to make sure anything messed up by it goes back to how it was...except if it were in a code tag or something). But why do we need that shortcut, anyway? We have the [TEX][/TEX] tags. Short inline things like \$ are nice if people know what effect they have. User education and, more importantly, a live preview (like what you have when writing a Markdown-formatted post on StackOverflow, for example) can give you that. Otherwise, they're just annoying surprises. If it were a bit more intelligent, it might also look at the spacing and/or context: a \$ as the start of a word is not likely to be ending a tex field, for instance in the example of \$0.10 to \$0.15/kWh.

LaurV · 2016-01-07, 06:48

The point is that you can not instruct the new math parser when you want your dollar to be terminator of the math field and when not. Inline TeX was ugly (misaligned with the text, bad proportions for indexes and powers, etc). The new one is much better. Non-inline math makes no problems. How about this? $\sum$ The whole argument is that if we need inline math, and we need to use a character which is not dollar, because the dollar is ~~going down~~ (sorry, that was for other forum) used a lot in English, etc. For the new posts we can adapt (and use slashes or whatever, ignoring the fact that is not very nice for some of us to be forced to use them, as Ernst said, but we will adapt). The real problem is for older posts which were broken by the new invention, but now most of them are fixed.

The fact that the titles are parsed too (kinda novelty for me) makes the things more interesting, we can make some very interesting tricks with those titles...

retina · 2016-01-07, 07:34

A better choice might have been the tilde (~). It stills requires the shift key for most keyboard layouts, just the same as the $ required the shift key, and it is used far less than the $.

xilman · 2016-01-07, 10:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by science_man_88

Code:

Like I said, I don't want to be thinking about extraneous math-formatting crap when composing a non-math post. It's not as if $ were rare beasts in english-language writing.

Also, I can read my own $-containing posts perfectly well in my default JS-disabled-for-this-and-most-other-sites browser setup. Keep it simple, keep it low bandwidth, I say.

it only renders bad when you see it on the page anyone who reads your posts as they reply can see it perfectly fine, also the printer friendly version shows it all as well I guess. there no problem at all except scrolling.

I'm with Ernst here. I think the recent change to the UI was not an enhancement. OK, so I tend to use USD rather than $ when I mean the US currency as opposed to, say, the HK$.

davar55 · 2016-01-07, 18:34

I don't see the problem.

If you say "It cost me [dollarsign]2.00[/dollarsign].", it displays exactly as I intended.

chalsall · 2016-01-07, 20:41

In my browser it takes a couple of seconds to render the page correctly.

Also, the browser window shows "\$Recent-update-has-broken-the-dollar-sign\$ - mersenneforum.org - Mozilla Firefox" in the title bar...

Just my $0.02. Not worth the $1 bill it was printed on....

science_man_88 · 2016-01-07, 20:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by chalsall

In my browser it takes a couple of seconds to render the page correctly.

Also, the browser window shows "$Recent-update-has-broken-the-dollar-sign$ - mersenneforum.org - Mozilla Firefox" in the title bar...

Just my $0.02. Not worth the $1 bill it was printed on....

the only annoyance for me with the titles of threads rendering is that it breaks the open in new tab for chrome at least by clicking. you can right click all you want and it shows up the show math as dropdown instead of the browser list including open in new tab.

LaurV · 2016-01-08, 02:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by science_man_88

the only annoyance for me with the titles of threads rendering is that it breaks the open in new tab for chrome at least by clicking. you can right click all you want and it shows up the show math as dropdown instead of the browser list including open in new tab.

Shift+click? Ctrl+click? or use firefox?

science_man_88 · 2016-01-08, 02:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaurV

Shift+click? Ctrl+click? or use firefox?

okay I suck at shortcuts so I'll admit I didn't know those I do know how to make anyone be able to read it all though you can magnify the text have it automatically larger and then have zoom to make it even larger still.

Mark Rose · 2016-01-08, 07:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaurV

Shift+click? Ctrl+click? or use firefox?

Why not middle-click? Far easier.

LaurV · 2016-01-23, 09:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Rose

Why not middle-click? Far easier.

Oh, didn't see that. It does nothing here. And we prefer to keep the middle finger free for other things

Joking apart, I came here again just to remark that this post is very nice, on the light of the new forum additions (like code tags and TeX tags, etc), it has all inside, hehe.

2016-01-07, 03:31	#12
Mini-Geek Account Deleted "Tim Sorbera" Aug 2006 San Antonio, TX USA 17×251 Posts	I wonder if a \ before the Symbol Which Shan't Be Named will fix it? \$hello\$ (source for that is:) Code: \$hello\$ /me clicks preview Yes, it does! So we have a workaround, if you know that's what you need to do (and you could do a find/replace in the database of older posts to make sure anything messed up by it goes back to how it was...except if it were in a code tag or something). But why do we need that shortcut, anyway? We have the [TEX][/TEX] tags. Short inline things like \$ are nice if people know what effect they have. User education and, more importantly, a live preview (like what you have when writing a Markdown-formatted post on StackOverflow, for example) can give you that. Otherwise, they're just annoying surprises. If it were a bit more intelligent, it might also look at the spacing and/or context: a \$ as the start of a word is not likely to be ending a tex field, for instance in the example of \$0.10 to \$0.15/kWh. Last fiddled with by Mini-Geek on 2016-01-07 at 03:33

2016-01-07, 06:48	#13
LaurV Romulan Interpreter Jun 2011 Thailand 9612₁₀ Posts	$\bar\int$ The point is that you can not instruct the new math parser when you want your dollar to be terminator of the math field and when not. Inline TeX was ugly (misaligned with the text, bad proportions for indexes and powers, etc). The new one is much better. Non-inline math makes no problems. How about this? \(\sum\) The whole argument is that if we need inline math, and we need to use a character which is not dollar, because the dollar is ~~going down~~ (sorry, that was for other forum) used a lot in English, etc. For the new posts we can adapt (and use slashes or whatever, ignoring the fact that is not very nice for some of us to be forced to use them, as Ernst said, but we will adapt). The real problem is for older posts which were broken by the new invention, but now most of them are fixed. The fact that the titles are parsed too (kinda novelty for me) makes the things more interesting, we can make some very interesting tricks with those titles... Last fiddled with by LaurV on 2016-01-07 at 07:05 Reason: $how\ about\ this\ ?$

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2016-01-07, 07:34	#14
retina Undefined "The unspeakable one" Jun 2006 My evil lair 14064₈ Posts	A better choice might have been the tilde (~). It stills requires the shift key for most keyboard layouts, just the same as the $ required the shift key, and it is used far less than the $.

2016-01-07, 18:34	#16
davar55 May 2004 New York City 1000010001010₂ Posts	I don't see the problem. If you say "It cost me [dollarsign]2.00[/dollarsign].", it displays exactly as I intended.

2016-01-07, 20:41	#17
chalsall If I May "Chris Halsall" Sep 2002 Barbados 37·263 Posts	In my browser it takes a couple of seconds to render the page correctly. Also, the browser window shows "\$Recent-update-has-broken-the-dollar-sign\$ - mersenneforum.org - Mozilla Firefox" in the title bar... Just my $0.02. Not worth the $1 bill it was printed on....