move protocol

Brian-E · 2015-04-16, 08:35

From the Move 12 thread:
[QUOTE=davar55;399670]I see we moved 12. .. Ba6, with which I concur.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Brian-E;399689]Good to know you concur.

There's always a risk with this set-up that a move could be played before all members of the team are happy with it. That occurred in the previous game rather spectacularly (I wasn't in the team in question, WMH was). So I wonder if we need to hash out some sort of protocol for when the move ought to be made.

Our captain WMHalsdorf did give a sort of 24-hour warning before playing it more than 24 hours later without any objection being voiced. It's always tricky to know when silence from team members should be interpreted as agreement. Sometimes, of course, individual team members might not be around for a few days.

Does anyone have any comments about how we are reaching agreement on when to move, and any suggestions for how we could do it better?[/QUOTE]
After our 14th move I now do have a comment and wonder what you two think about it.

In my opinion we should - *normally* - wait until all three of us have indicated agreement to play a particular move.

There will be exceptions. I think our team captain should use discretion in deciding when an exception applies. But I think we should err on the side of caution there.

By the way, I think our 14th move 14...Qd8 was absolutely forced. But the chance that someone might have found some clever sacrificial line after 14...Qb7 15.Nxa5, or still needed to be convinced that this would not work, was not nihil in my opinion. So I just want to say "steady on, please". But what do you both think?

WMHalsdorf · 2015-04-16, 11:53

I thought we had agreed to Qd8 before hand. By the way Qb7 make white sacking a knight for two center pawns more attractive.

Brian-E · 2015-04-16, 19:20

[QUOTE=WMHalsdorf;400185]I thought we had agreed to Qd8 before hand. By the way Qb7 make white sacking a knight for two center pawns more attractive.[/QUOTE]
I think there's a difference between putting a move in the analysis which we post and agreeing to make that move should they play the move in the line.

When I play correspondence chess, I always look at the position afresh when I receive my opponent's move, even if they play the move I expected and analysed. So if I post a line of analysis, I'm not saying definitively that I want us to play the moves which I write down if our opponents go for that line.

Hope you can live with that.:smile:

davar55 · 2015-04-17, 04:05

[QUOTE=Brian-E;400225]I think there's a difference between putting a move in the analysis which we post and agreeing to make that move should they play the move in the line.
When I play correspondence chess, I always look at the position afresh when I receive my opponent's move, even if they play the move I expected and analysed. So if I post a line of analysis, I'm not saying definitively that I want us to play the moves which I write down if our opponents go for that line.
Hope you can live with that.:smile:[/QUOTE]

Not only can live with but fully agree.

Also, agreed with Qd8 and with captain's comment about Qb7.

davar55 · 2015-04-17, 04:13

Can we expect 15.Bf4 or 15.Re1 ?

WMHalsdorf · 2015-04-17, 12:08

[QUOTE=Brian-E;400225]I think there's a difference between putting a move in the analysis which we post and agreeing to make that move should they play the move in the line.

When I play correspondence chess, I always look at the position afresh when I receive my opponent's move, even if they play the move I expected and analysed. So if I post a line of analysis, I'm not saying definitively that I want us to play the moves which I write down if our opponents go for that line.

Hope you can live with that.:smile:[/QUOTE]

I see were you are coming from. Basically if more than one choice wait a period of time (minimun 24 hrs) for a reply else make the forced move.

WMHalsdorf · 2015-04-17, 12:27

[QUOTE=davar55;400272]Can we expect 15.Bf4 or 15.Re1 ?[/QUOTE]

I expect the knight on b5 to retreat or capture the d pawn.

Brian-E · 2015-04-17, 13:01

[QUOTE=WMHalsdorf;400302]I see were you are coming from. Basically if more than one choice wait a period of time (minimun 24 hrs) for a reply else make the forced move.[/QUOTE]
That's not quite what I'm pleading for.

I'm asking you always to wait until all three of us are agreed on our move and have expressed that agreement since we received our opponents' move. "Always" may have some exceptions, and you would use your discretion to decide when an exception applies, but some examples which spring to my mind are:
- we have only one *legal* move
- one or more team members are absent
- we have failed to agree, and our deadline is looming.

A "forced" move like our 14...Qd8 should be played if and when all team members have agreed that it is forced.

2015-04-16, 08:35	#1
Brian-E "Brian" Jul 2007 The Netherlands 2×11×149 Posts	move protocol From the Move 12 thread: [QUOTE=davar55;399670]I see we moved 12. .. Ba6, with which I concur.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Brian-E;399689]Good to know you concur. There's always a risk with this set-up that a move could be played before all members of the team are happy with it. That occurred in the previous game rather spectacularly (I wasn't in the team in question, WMH was). So I wonder if we need to hash out some sort of protocol for when the move ought to be made. Our captain WMHalsdorf did give a sort of 24-hour warning before playing it more than 24 hours later without any objection being voiced. It's always tricky to know when silence from team members should be interpreted as agreement. Sometimes, of course, individual team members might not be around for a few days. Does anyone have any comments about how we are reaching agreement on when to move, and any suggestions for how we could do it better?[/QUOTE] After our 14th move I now do have a comment and wonder what you two think about it. In my opinion we should - normally - wait until all three of us have indicated agreement to play a particular move. There will be exceptions. I think our team captain should use discretion in deciding when an exception applies. But I think we should err on the side of caution there. By the way, I think our 14th move 14...Qd8 was absolutely forced. But the chance that someone might have found some clever sacrificial line after 14...Qb7 15.Nxa5, or still needed to be convinced that this would not work, was not nihil in my opinion. So I just want to say "steady on, please". But what do you both think?

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2015-04-16, 11:53	#2
WMHalsdorf Feb 2005 Bristol, CT 201₁₆ Posts	I thought we had agreed to Qd8 before hand. By the way Qb7 make white sacking a knight for two center pawns more attractive.

2015-04-16, 19:20	#3
Brian-E "Brian" Jul 2007 The Netherlands 2·11·149 Posts	[QUOTE=WMHalsdorf;400185]I thought we had agreed to Qd8 before hand. By the way Qb7 make white sacking a knight for two center pawns more attractive.[/QUOTE] I think there's a difference between putting a move in the analysis which we post and agreeing to make that move should they play the move in the line. When I play correspondence chess, I always look at the position afresh when I receive my opponent's move, even if they play the move I expected and analysed. So if I post a line of analysis, I'm not saying definitively that I want us to play the moves which I write down if our opponents go for that line. Hope you can live with that.:smile:

2015-04-17, 04:05	#4
davar55 May 2004 New York City 5×7×11² Posts	[QUOTE=Brian-E;400225]I think there's a difference between putting a move in the analysis which we post and agreeing to make that move should they play the move in the line. When I play correspondence chess, I always look at the position afresh when I receive my opponent's move, even if they play the move I expected and analysed. So if I post a line of analysis, I'm not saying definitively that I want us to play the moves which I write down if our opponents go for that line. Hope you can live with that.:smile:[/QUOTE] Not only can live with but fully agree. Also, agreed with Qd8 and with captain's comment about Qb7.

2015-04-17, 04:13	#5
davar55 May 2004 New York City 5×7×11² Posts	Can we expect 15.Bf4 or 15.Re1 ?

2015-04-17, 12:08	#6
WMHalsdorf Feb 2005 Bristol, CT 1000000001₂ Posts	[QUOTE=Brian-E;400225]I think there's a difference between putting a move in the analysis which we post and agreeing to make that move should they play the move in the line. When I play correspondence chess, I always look at the position afresh when I receive my opponent's move, even if they play the move I expected and analysed. So if I post a line of analysis, I'm not saying definitively that I want us to play the moves which I write down if our opponents go for that line. Hope you can live with that.:smile:[/QUOTE] I see were you are coming from. Basically if more than one choice wait a period of time (minimun 24 hrs) for a reply else make the forced move.

2015-04-17, 12:27	#7
WMHalsdorf Feb 2005 Bristol, CT 201₁₆ Posts	[QUOTE=davar55;400272]Can we expect 15.Bf4 or 15.Re1 ?[/QUOTE] I expect the knight on b5 to retreat or capture the d pawn.

2015-04-17, 13:01	#8
Brian-E "Brian" Jul 2007 The Netherlands CCE₁₆ Posts	[QUOTE=WMHalsdorf;400302]I see were you are coming from. Basically if more than one choice wait a period of time (minimun 24 hrs) for a reply else make the forced move.[/QUOTE] That's not quite what I'm pleading for. I'm asking you always to wait until all three of us are agreed on our move and have expressed that agreement since we received our opponents' move. "Always" may have some exceptions, and you would use your discretion to decide when an exception applies, but some examples which spring to my mind are: - we have only one legal move - one or more team members are absent - we have failed to agree, and our deadline is looming. A "forced" move like our 14...Qd8 should be played if and when all team members have agreed that it is forced.