Cyan users

Raman · 2013-09-30, 12:29

Not withstanding by earlier trouble I had faced with not being able to edit my own inaccurate posts over extended period of time, I would like to propose for a new category of users, the cyan users, who can edit their own posts forever into all posted forums, but cannot moderate other people's posts. Their user name will be in cyan colour, inbetween that of blue and green, then making it so thus intermediate to ordinary members and moderators. All users with more than 500 post count can be made cyan as such? (This limit may be as low as 200 post count as well? What about 100 post count?). All moderators therefore should be able to edit their own posts always, over everywhere! For good reasons, all new users need not be made into cyan colour. Sometimes, I require option of editing my own posts over extended period of time whenever I try to make out some of my own posted mathematical articles into forum onto to be publically shared

Rainbow spectrum colours: Promotion levels of forum is being nice!

Violet colour users: Banned Users
Blue colour users: Ordinary forum members
Proposed turquoise colour users: Proposed cyan colour users
Green colour users: Local moderators of specific forums / subforums
Red colour users: Global super moderators

LaurV · 2013-09-30, 14:06

I would be totally against it. For me, even the supermods being able to edit posts done months or years ago, is too much. People have bad habit to "retract" things they said, when is proved they were wrong, and I saw many times obfuscated moderators deleting things they posted in the past and letting discussions "on the air". If it would be up to me, I would make that posts posted more than (1 month? 6 weeks?) xxx ago be "untouchable" even by the supermods. That would be the right way to go. And then, the forum would be a safer place, and people would think twice before posting, knowing that what you say will stay forever... I foresee Serge

getting angry after some dispute with Paul

, and one of them deleting all his posts... grrrr... (like in "I take my toys and go home, don't want to play with you anymore", hehe) or all posts of the other... grrrr....

Mini-Geek · 2013-09-30, 14:22

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Originally Posted by LaurV

I would be totally against it. For me, even the supermods being able to edit posts done months or years ago, is too much. People have bad habit to "retract" things they said, when is proved they were wrong, and I saw many times obfuscated moderators deleting things they posted in the past and letting discussions "on the air". If it would be up to me, I would make that posts posted more than (1 month? 6 weeks?) xxx ago be "untouchable" even by the supermods. That would be the right way to go. And then, the forum would be a safer place, and people would think twice before posting, knowing that what you say will stay forever... I foresee Serge

getting angry after some dispute with Paul

, and one of them deleting all his posts... grrrr... (like in "I take my toys and go home, don't want to play with you anymore", hehe) or all posts of the other... grrrr....

Why not just keep post history? The "Last fiddled with" text used to be a link to the post history, IIRC. I'd prefer that all users can modify their posts forever, as long as we can still see what the post used to say. I'd be surprised if this actually incurs a significant (to the point of being a problem) extra data usage.

TheMawn · 2013-09-30, 14:43

I think we get one hour to review our posts which ought to be more than enough, but there's something to be said for sleeping on a post.

How about a mandatory reason-for-editing? I like the idea of a post history also.

BudgieJane · 2013-09-30, 21:12

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Originally Posted by TheMawn

I think we get one hour to review our posts which ought to be more than enough, but there's something to be said for sleeping on a post.

So how about writing your reply in your favourite text editor, and not copying it to the thread until after you have slept on it? Otherwise you may find that several people have replied to your new post, and editing it may make those replies non-sequuntur.

Quote:

How about a mandatory reason-for-editing?

I don't think that's a good idea, because it can easily be defeated by entering a single character, such as a full-stop/period.

kladner · 2013-09-30, 21:30

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Originally Posted by BudgieJane

So how about writing your reply in your favourite text editor, and not copying it to the thread until after you have slept on it? Otherwise you may find that several people have replied to your new post, and editing it may make those replies non-sequuntur.

I don't think that's a good idea, because it can easily be defeated by entering a single character, such as a full-stop/period.

I am with Jane and LaurV. I would revoke all ability by anyone to edit posts after a set period. Even in an hour, it is possible to make a response seem to be a non sequitur, especially with hotly followed topics.

There would always be recourse to Lord Xyzzy in extreme circumstances. I believe in his restraint (or inertia) beyond that of others. Like it or not, Mike, you are still the doG of the forum.

Batalov · 2013-09-30, 23:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaurV

I would be totally against it. For me, even the supermods being able to edit posts done months or years ago, is too much. People have bad habit to "retract" things they said, when is proved they were wrong, and I saw many times obfuscated moderators deleting things they posted in the past and letting discussions "on the air".

There is a huge amount of posts that you might think to have been deleted but that in fact were moved to this thread. Re-read it. There you will probably find many posts that you seem to be longing to read. And think what some of the users would have paid to better have them deleted.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaurV

grrrr... grrrr....

That's not Romulan, that's Ramanesque. You forgot to color them white though. I am curious, what do these grunts mean?

kladner · 2013-09-30, 23:39

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Originally Posted by LaurV http://www.mersenneforum.org/images/...s/viewpost.gif
grrrr... grrrr....

Those are growls, or perhaps snarls. I understand that language perfectly. They are signified by the somewhat stationary phase just before the head-shaking.

jcrombie · 2013-09-30, 23:44

I'm also totally opposed to this historical revisionism. Let the posts stand and the more you regret the original post, the more (hopefully) you'll improve the quality of your next posts.

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Originally Posted by Batalov

And think what some of the users would have paid to better have them deleted.

Sounds like an interesting GIMPS fund-raising option?? (just kidding of course)

LaurV · 2013-10-01, 05:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batalov

There is a huge amount of posts that you might think to have been deleted but that in fact were moved to this thread. Re-read it.

Sorry for the omission, what I was trying to say is "on different forums". The remark about mods/users deleting old posts was referring to different forums, and not mersenneforum, from my "long experience" as a "forumist" (is that an English word?). I saw with my own eyes posts where the text was deleted (not the whole post moved) and/or substituted with profanities or foul language "just because the user/mod could do it".

Related to mersenneforum, just to clarify, I was never in the situation to find that a post was deleted or moved and I can't find it. This is because I usually don't have time to search for old posts, as long as there are a lot of new posts to read all the time, some of them with very useful information. Sorry if for some of you some things are trivial but for me many things posted here are interesting and I read them all the time with pleasure, even if they worth millions or are just crap, from everything there is something to learn...

Things posted years/months ago should be "untouchable" (beside moving them in an archive) even by the supermods. (this doesn't mean that it has to be implemented, it is just how I see it). I was never ashamed for stupidities I posted in the past, and I was always happy that I was able to evolve so much to understand that sometime in the past, what I was thinking was completely stupid. When I was very small I was believing that pigs fly. I saw it in a prestigious book... I am not ashamed of it. I am happy I grow up, up to the point to understand that I was wrong, pigs do not fly, and not everything written in the books is true. "Any scratch is a hole, when you're small, any rock is a wall..." (Parazitii).

TheMawn · 2013-10-01, 06:34

When people understand how to properly edit a post, it can be quite useful and save some time. I've known some entire pages to go on and on about some typo or the like which could have easily been edited ~~oout~~ out.

Deleting entire posts or making serious changes, not such a good idea. This is why I like to quote things too.

2013-09-30, 12:29	#1
Raman Noodles "Mr. Tuch" Dec 2007 Chennai, India 3×419 Posts	Cyan users Not withstanding by earlier trouble I had faced with not being able to edit my own inaccurate posts over extended period of time, I would like to propose for a new category of users, the cyan users, who can edit their own posts forever into all posted forums, but cannot moderate other people's posts. Their user name will be in cyan colour, inbetween that of blue and green, then making it so thus intermediate to ordinary members and moderators. All users with more than 500 post count can be made cyan as such? (This limit may be as low as 200 post count as well? What about 100 post count?). All moderators therefore should be able to edit their own posts always, over everywhere! For good reasons, all new users need not be made into cyan colour. Sometimes, I require option of editing my own posts over extended period of time whenever I try to make out some of my own posted mathematical articles into forum onto to be publically shared Rainbow spectrum colours: Promotion levels of forum is being nice! Violet colour users: Banned Users Blue colour users: Ordinary forum members Proposed turquoise colour users: Proposed cyan colour users Green colour users: Local moderators of specific forums / subforums Red colour users: Global super moderators Last fiddled with by Raman on 2013-09-30 at 12:31

2013-09-30, 14:06	#2
LaurV Romulan Interpreter Jun 2011 Thailand 2²×3³×89 Posts	I would be totally against it. For me, even the supermods being able to edit posts done months or years ago, is too much. People have bad habit to "retract" things they said, when is proved they were wrong, and I saw many times obfuscated moderators deleting things they posted in the past and letting discussions "on the air". If it would be up to me, I would make that posts posted more than (1 month? 6 weeks?) xxx ago be "untouchable" even by the supermods. That would be the right way to go. And then, the forum would be a safer place, and people would think twice before posting, knowing that what you say will stay forever... I foresee Serge getting angry after some dispute with Paul , and one of them deleting all his posts... grrrr... (like in "I take my toys and go home, don't want to play with you anymore", hehe) or all posts of the other... grrrr.... Last fiddled with by LaurV on 2013-09-30 at 14:07

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2013-09-30, 14:43	#4
TheMawn May 2013 East. Always East. 11·157 Posts	I think we get one hour to review our posts which ought to be more than enough, but there's something to be said for sleeping on a post. How about a mandatory reason-for-editing? I like the idea of a post history also.

2013-10-01, 06:34	#11
TheMawn May 2013 East. Always East. 11×157 Posts	When people understand how to properly edit a post, it can be quite useful and save some time. I've known some entire pages to go on and on about some typo or the like which could have easily been edited ~~oout~~ out. Deleting entire posts or making serious changes, not such a good idea. This is why I like to quote things too.