David and Halsall fighting (a.k.a. Tedious bickering. Take #2)... - Page 2

LaurV · 2013-03-19, 01:57

perhaps we should start a new thread...

this was already too big, and now, additionally, it started to become noise polluted...

davieddy · 2013-03-19, 04:20

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Originally Posted by LaurV

perhaps we should start a new thread...

this was already too big, and now, additionally, it started to become noise polluted...

If you can't stand the heat....

swl551 · 2013-03-19, 11:42

Daviddy wins the first round with Mr. Big Stuff...

xilman · 2013-03-19, 12:54

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Originally Posted by davieddy

If you can't stand the heat....

... Get out of the sauna.

LaurV · 2013-03-19, 15:46

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Originally Posted by davieddy

If you can't stand the heat....

take your bottom off the hob...

R.D. Silverman · 2013-03-19, 16:37

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Originally Posted by chalsall

David...

You are on record here on this forum for calling both myself and George "stupid" for our respective assignment strategies. Repeatedly.

You are additionally on record admitting that your agenda was to have available to you (personally) low candidates because it increased your (personal) chance of finding a MP.

Perhaps it is you who should "Get a brain".

The last comment is amusing. My opinion is that it applies to
both of you.

davieddy · 2013-03-19, 16:58

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Originally Posted by chalsall

David...

You are on record here on this forum for calling both myself and George "stupid" for our respective assignment strategies. Repeatedly.

You are additionally on record admitting that your agenda was to have available to you (personally) low candidates because it increased your (personal) chance of finding a MP.

Perhaps it is you who should "Get a brain".

It is you and your clan who have personalized this.
I was speaking for any potential participant with moderate processing power. Why deter so many new recruits to the common cause by hogging the low-hanging fruit?
My feeling is that it is related to the "milestone madness".

I wonder if Silverman has anything enlightening to say on this issue.

D

Aramis Wyler · 2013-03-19, 17:18

By low hanging fruit, do you mean the lower bitlevels?

And if that is the case, by ~~'robbing people with moderate processing power'~~ hogging the low hanging fruit, do you mean that we shouldn't start factoring them until the cpu people get them up to... I don't know, 70 or so?

kracker · 2013-03-19, 17:24

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Originally Posted by Aramis Wyler

By low hanging fruit, do you mean the lower bitlevels?

And if that is the case, by ~~'robbing people with moderate processing power'~~ hogging the low hanging fruit, do you mean that we shouldn't start factoring them until the cpu people get them up to... I don't know, 70 or so?

Or that could mean people with low end GPU's, like me.

Aramis Wyler · 2013-03-19, 19:10

Yeah, maybe, I don't know. I try to run them from bottom to top, because it frustrates me when people are rolling along the bottom (like 71) and having huge marks for days saved because they find all these factors, and my factor find is the pits because I'm only doing from 73 to 74 and it takes hours to do those. I figure even the lowest end gpus capable of running mfactc can probably factor to 73 as quickly as a high end card can do 74, and that's hundreds of times faster than a cpu.

I should maybe have committed more thought to this post before I started it, but all I'm really saying is that even low end (but capable) gpus are so much better at TF than the best cpus as to be in a whole different category.
My cpus give me about 3 ghz days per core, or 12 ghz days per day. It's not the best cpu, but I like it. My video cards give 390 and 420 ghz days per day (a 480 and a 580). Even a gtx280 or a gtx450 aught to give at least 220 ghz days per day and that's so much more than 12 or 20 (for a good cpu).

chalsall · 2013-03-19, 19:35

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Originally Posted by Aramis Wyler

I try to run them from bottom to top, because it frustrates me when people are rolling along the bottom (like 71) and having huge marks for days saved because they find all these factors, and my factor find is the pits because I'm only doing from 73 to 74 and it takes hours to do those.

Yeah... However, one of the touchstones of GIMPS is that everyone should be allowed to do whatever type of work they enjoy, so long as it doesn't harm the project nor others.

The good news is most assignments are "to release" (read: 73 or above). You're unusual in that you're going from 73 to 74.

But don't worry too much about the "GHz Days Saved" metric. It will be going away in a while (I hope before the end of the month) -- James H. has proposed a very elegant solution (equation) which will be more representative of the value (worth) of each factor found as a function of Candidate size and Bit Level.

2013-03-19, 11:42	#14
swl551 Aug 2012 New Hampshire 1100101000₂ Posts	Daviddy wins the first round with Mr. Big Stuff... Last fiddled with by swl551 on 2013-03-19 at 11:44

2013-03-19, 17:18	#19
Aramis Wyler "Bill Staffen" Jan 2013 Pittsburgh, PA, USA 1A8₁₆ Posts	By low hanging fruit, do you mean the lower bitlevels? And if that is the case, by ~~'robbing people with moderate processing power'~~ hogging the low hanging fruit, do you mean that we shouldn't start factoring them until the cpu people get them up to... I don't know, 70 or so? Last fiddled with by Aramis Wyler on 2013-03-19 at 17:19

2013-03-19, 19:10	#21
Aramis Wyler "Bill Staffen" Jan 2013 Pittsburgh, PA, USA 650₈ Posts	Yeah, maybe, I don't know. I try to run them from bottom to top, because it frustrates me when people are rolling along the bottom (like 71) and having huge marks for days saved because they find all these factors, and my factor find is the pits because I'm only doing from 73 to 74 and it takes hours to do those. I figure even the lowest end gpus capable of running mfactc can probably factor to 73 as quickly as a high end card can do 74, and that's hundreds of times faster than a cpu. I should maybe have committed more thought to this post before I started it, but all I'm really saying is that even low end (but capable) gpus are so much better at TF than the best cpus as to be in a whole different category. My cpus give me about 3 ghz days per core, or 12 ghz days per day. It's not the best cpu, but I like it. My video cards give 390 and 420 ghz days per day (a 480 and a 580). Even a gtx280 or a gtx450 aught to give at least 220 ghz days per day and that's so much more than 12 or 20 (for a good cpu). Last fiddled with by Aramis Wyler on 2013-03-19 at 19:11

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LaurV Romulan Interpreter Jun 2011 Thailand 2·5·31² Posts	perhaps we should start a new thread... this was already too big, and now, additionally, it started to become noise polluted...