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[Christenson]

Originally Posted by jasong

Not to be disrespectful, but are you totally insane? Only someone who's never even attempted Christianity could claim that a normal everyday Christian is attempting a power-grab.

I'm thinking of the leadership, on top, basking in luxury, not the sheeple....do you really think that all this anti-science attitude comes from the bottom? And how does "real" christian leadership permit these false "fake" christians, anyway? Do you not see the quagmire of even defining "Christianity", since in some places I'm automatically a Christian by my name and passport?

I'm still waiting for "chapter and verse", like, maybe, II John 1:15....actually saying that humans had a MONOPOLY on sin...

Christianity wasn't created so people could control other people.

Funny, it seems to get used that way a lot....are you sure?

Airplanes are highly complex devices, what are the chances that a hurricane could pass through a junkyard and assemble an airplane? Think of how simple an airplane is compared to the interactions of DNA. Trillions of years, maybe we'd have some form of simplistic DNA on one of the planets in the huge cosmos, but billions of years? No frickin' way.

I'm not going to argue origins...but, you might want to read about the newly-identified germs that are resistant to all antibiotics....about how horses and asses can interbreed, but the result is a mule...and while we are at it, just how is it that there are new, distinct breeds of dog in the last century or two?

A single theory explaining that has power...lots of power...and letting it rest with people who are not on top carries danger to those who are...we just might figure out we need to act on it, and those doing the figuring come up on top....

[jasong]

I love how you guys selectively quote what I'm saying without quoting the truly relevant bit, the fact that you can test a Christian by his daily life. Jesus is an example of a perfect Christian, and no one anywhere has been able to live up to the life Christ has called on us to live. Instead of testing Christianity by other people, where everyone will inevitably fall short, try testing yourselves against Jesus, the only perfectly sinless man who ever lived(no pefectly sinless women out there, if we want to go down that road)

Also, there are so many straw men in post 21 that I think I'll pretend like that post doesn't even exist until the person decides to approach things a little more fairly and quit trotting out false arguments against me and other Christians. Haven't googled apocryphal whatzit yet and don't intend to, my reason for mentioning that is that it is an almost perfect duplicate of scrolls we had which were written hundreds of years later, in other words, no mis-quotes to speak of compared to what was actually written around Christ's time.

[jasong]

Edit: I apparently suck at using quotes, my apologies if there are misunderstandings of who said what. :(

Originally Posted by Christenson

I'm thinking of the leadership, on top, basking in luxury, not the sheeple....do you really think that all this anti-science attitude comes from the bottom?

Begging your pardon, but if you're talking about the Pope, let me stop you right there. I am not a Catholic and have never had any inclination to listen to the Pope, except as an exercise in futile anger. In my opinion, the Pope either openly works for the devil or is an incredibly deceived man. If you're not talking about the Pope, than perhaps you can be more specific?

Originally Posted by Christenson

And how does "real" christian leadership permit these false "fake" christians, anyway? Do you not see the quagmire of even defining "Christianity", since in some places I'm automatically a Christian by my name and passport?

There's also that verse about how it's as easy for a rich man to get into Heaven as it is for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle. Perhaps you are subconsciously thinking of that verse when you wrote that? Also, the world doesn't determine who is or isn't a Christian, if you've accepted Christ as your personal Saviour, you're a Christian, otherwise you aren't. Going to Church, tithing, wearing a cross, whatever, doesn't make you a Christian anymore than spending the night in your garage makes you a car.

I'm still waiting for "chapter and verse", like, maybe, II John 1:15....actually saying that humans had a MONOPOLY on sin...

lol, looked that up, or tried to, wasn't sure if you were actually quoting scripture.

Funny, it seems to get used that way a lot....are you sure?

Anything can be quoted out of the context of the entire Bible, it's a big book. The Bible has been incorrectly used to justify a lot of things, from wife abuse to slavery. This is why people are encouraged to actually examine the source of these quotes, rather than simply use the book as a decoration for their bookcase or living room table.

I'm not going to argue origins...but, you might want to read about the newly-identified germs that are resistant to all antibiotics....about how horses and asses can interbreed, but the result is a mule...and while we are at it, just how is it that there are new, distinct breeds of dog in the last century or two?

I'm not the least bit surprised by genetics, God invented that. As for the new germs, that's what idiots get when they use alcohol to wash their hands, if you use liquid death to deal with germs you should expect the germs that manage to live through that to be death themselves.

A single theory explaining that has power...lots of power...and letting it rest with people who are not on top carries danger to those who are...we just might figure out we need to act on it, and those doing the figuring come up on top....

That's precisely what the Bible teaches, but the person truly on top is Jesus, if someone doesn't serve Jesus than they deserve to be ignored. This goes for everyone from Obama(not trying to single him out) to the lowest beggar.

[imwithid]

Fake Christians are like real ghosts. It is describing the undefinable.

I take Christenson's point as to the luxurious life of the upper echelons of the Catholic church and would add that it is the pinnacle of hypocrisy that they live in comfort (if not luxury) while the faithful and supportive toil or worse yet, suffer bereft and poor livelihoods ignorant to the macro situation.

Originally Posted by jasong

... Jesus is an example of a perfect Christian, and no one anywhere has been able to live up to the life Christ has called on us to live. Instead of testing Christianity by other people, where everyone will inevitably fall short, try testing yourselves against Jesus, the only perfectly sinless man who ever lived(no pefectly sinless women out there, if we want to go down that road).

I take strong issue with this comment and it is yet another reason as to why I detest Christianity and most, if not all, religions in that they condescend women through arbitrarily (and absurdly) chosen rules, rites and titles. Have you forgotten Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu?

I wonder, if (there is/are) god(s) and if (s)(t)he(y) is(are) not testing the religious to see if they can separate good from blind faith in organized religion much like the religious think that science (e.g. dinosaurs) is a test to the non-faithful. If one is to be like Jesus as a Christian, recall the Book of Mark as a hint. You may find it a contradiction in terms.

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Jasong, I posted my ideas, you preferred to ignore me at all.

You can avoid listening to those you don't meet your canons of correctness.
I, on the other way, prefer to listen and answer to everyone, even if they disagree with me, because confronting with others makes me a better one: I can learn new ideas, new behaviors, new social and philosophical paths.

And I think that irony exists to make things easier on a discussion, helping people taking easier the matter. Not the opposite.

Listening to others, loving adversaries, being ready to everyone, keeping an as open mind as possible: these are the qualities of a good fellow, regardless his/her religious inclinations.

You did exactly the opposite, showing yourself not really different by those you insult.

Regards...

Luigi

[Mr. P-1]

Originally Posted by jasong

As for the new germs, that's what idiots get when they use alcohol to wash their hands, if you use liquid death to deal with germs you should expect the germs that manage to live through that to be death themselves.

Here's another stunning display of scientific ignorance. alcohol isn't an antibiotic. antibiotic resistance doesn't confer immunity to alcohol, nor does the use of alcohol as a disinfectant cause bacteria to become antibiotic resistant.

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[Christenson]

Originally Posted by Mr. P-1

Here's another stunning display of scientific ignorance. alcohol isn't an antibiotic. antibiotic resistance doesn't confer immunity to alcohol, nor does the use of alcohol as a disinfectant cause bacteria to become antibiotic resistant.

Yep, that's the point...but I can certainly think of some alchohol-resistant germs...they are called yeasts, and they make nice wine(for ET and ImwithID), and beer for me, thanks! :wine:

Jason:
For about 1500 years (until a man named Martin Luther came along with 95 Theses you need to read) the Catholic church WAS the Christian church. But when I refer to upper echelons, I'm not just talking about catholics or even Christians...it's very generalised...the bishops, the pastors, the priests, the imams, the muzzeins, all have quite a bit of power, regardless of the denomination....

[imwithid]

Amen, Christenson. Now that you mention it, I think I'll open up a Barbera from Piedmont later today. Cheers to whatever you drink!

[jasong]

Originally Posted by imwithid

Fake Christians are like real ghosts. It is describing the undefinable.

I take Christenson's point as to the luxurious life of the upper echelons of the Catholic church and would add that it is the pinnacle of hypocrisy that they live in comfort (if not luxury) while the faithful and supportive toil or worse yet, suffer bereft and poor livelihoods ignorant to the macro situation.

There are a TON of Christians that aren't Catholic and think the Pope is full of crap. I, for one, have no faith whatsoever in the Pope. He's a problem to me, not a person deserving of respect.

I take strong issue with this comment and it is yet another reason as to why I detest Christianity and most, if not all, religions in that they condescend women through arbitrarily (and absurdly) chosen rules, rites and titles. Have you forgotten Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu?

What the hell, man? Just because I don't believe there are any perfect women I'm some of horrible person. Let me clue you in, the ONLY person who's ever been perfectly sinless is Jesus Christ. Just because the only person who I believe has ever been sinless is a male doesn't make me a sexist. Talk about your straw men, sheesh.

I wonder, if (there is/are) god(s) and if (s)(t)he(y) is(are) not testing the religious to see if they can separate good from blind faith in organized religion much like the religious think that science (e.g. dinosaurs) is a test to the non-faithful. If one is to be like Jesus as a Christian, recall the Book of Mark as a hint. You may find it a contradiction in terms.

Not to be pedantic, but religion is precisely the problem. Religion is people trying to be good, Christianity is allowing the Holy Spirit to be good through them. If we act in our own strength we are doomed to fail, only Christ is strong enough to truly deal with sin.