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Snicker, AL
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Dec 2010
Monticello
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DarJones:
Are you saying the basic concept won't happen? Or that my hour is simply too extreme? |
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Aug 2003
Snicker, AL
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I'm saying that anything that disrupts the profits of the market maker HFT's is not going to happen.
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Dec 2010
Monticello
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Sep 2002
República de California
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---------------------------------- With tomorrow being Labor Day here in the U>S., let`s focus on private-sector-jobs-related themes, namely "what kinds of businesses create most of the jobs" and "what if anythign can government do to help spur private-sector job creation?". First, a McClatchy survey casts doubt on frequent Republican claims about "excessive government regulation" stifling job creation Regulations, taxes aren't killing small business, owners say Quote:
And career entrepreneur Henry Nothhaft has A Labor Day Message for President Obama: We know that job growth comes from start-up companies, not established ones. Why not make life easier for them? Quote:
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Sep 2002
República de California
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And speaking of unfair advantages enjoyed by mega-corporations, another McClatchy piece (here by way of the St. Petersburg Times - Florida, not Rudssia) lays it out nicely:
Wanted: Patriotic CEOs to stop corporate moochers Quote:
Tom Toles' latest editorial cartoon Debt Counseling Meeting" |
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(loop (#_fork))
Feb 2006
Cambridge, England
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I am curious as to the definition of 'pays no taxes' that the writer of the above extract used; Coca-Cola's form 10K
http://www.thecoca-colacompany.com/i...m_10K_2010.pdf includes a $2,384 million line item for taxes paid in the year 2010, an effective rate of 16.7% 'Our effective tax rate reflects tax benefits derived from significant operations outside the United States, which are generally taxed at rates lower than the U.S. statutory rate of 35 percent.' 'Based on current tax laws, the Company’s effective tax rate in 2011 is expected to be approximately 23.5 percent to 24.5 percent before considering the effect of any unusual or special items that may affect our tax rate in future years.' GE similarly is paying about 16.8% on GE earnings; the issue there is that GE Capital Services is an enormous financial organisation which a few years ago made a prodigiously large loss, and this loss provides an enormous tax credit to GE. |
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Dec 2010
Monticello
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A simpler question, in case Mr Immelt is reading:
A dozen years ago, I worked for a very dysfunctional unit of GE. Everyone with eyes could see the operation going downhill, the spurning of customers, that some vice-presidential heads needed some serious knocking. Noone sent from headquarters could seem to turn it around, they all fled instead. You screwed up, now GE-FANUC is almost gone. Do you have the ears to hear the folks on the ground? In that case, you are doing terrible by both your employees and your stockholders. In my current job, I could use GE-Fanuc products...but they'd raise my engineering costs through the roof, and I couldn't get anyone from sales to talk to me when I was there anyway. |
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Sep 2002
República de California
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You need to be very careful about the numbers the corporations point to in such cases. Without looking into the specifics of the Coca-Cola numbers, I'll stick to GE. Here is a March piece from Business Insider which takes a claim from GE PR that the NYT (which broke the GE-paid-no-U.S.-taxes-in-2010 story a few days previously) was "way off base" and follows it up - hilariously (underlines mine): WHO'S FULL OF CRAP? GE, The New York Times, And The Hazards Of "Tweeting The Record Straight" Quote:
So Tom, see if you can figure out if Coca-Cola similarly *paid* several $Bln in taxes, but had most or all of that offset by later refunds and credits. Because the PDF you cite and similar statement`s by the company sound suspiciously like GE`s "we paid so much" claims which conveniently omit "how much we paid, after factoring in refunds and credits: Atlanta Journal Constitution: Corporate giants find ample shelter Quote:
Interesting week coming up in Europe - Mish has a preview of key events. I will be watching the decision of the German Constitutional Court on the legality of the Eurozone bailouts (and the entire EFSF mechanism) with great interest. Last fiddled with by ewmayer on 2011-09-05 at 02:38 |
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Aug 2003
Snicker, AL
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Re taxes and spin, the difference between a piece of half-raw castrated bull meat and a sizzling hot juicy rib-eye steak is just a matter of semantics.
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(loop (#_fork))
Feb 2006
Cambridge, England
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OK, I was wrong; I thought that a company registered in the US would be paying all its taxes in the US (indeed, that that was why the US might want to have multinationals registered there).
This is the issue that extremely-multinational companies whose main expansions are outside the US can keep the profits from their subsidiaries outside the US, use them to fund expansion outside the US or simply keep them in a pot, and not pay US tax on them unless they need to bring them back to the US. If I read the Coca-Cola report correctly (and what better thing to do on Labor Day than read 10-K filings) this is a loophole which was closed briefly in 2005, and has been re-opened 'temporarily for a one-year period' annually since then. Coke declares much lower profit margins on its US activities than on its world-wide ones (and North America is its third-largest business area) which is suspicious, though that might be because they bought the US bottler out presumably of US money. I don't quite understand how Coca-Cola can pay dividends (which at least in theory come out of profits) without having to bring the profits in; I suppose they've got almost perfect credit and so can borrow extremely cheaply in the US from multi-national banks using the external-profits as collateral, and pay their 2.5% dividend yield with the borrowed money. Last fiddled with by fivemack on 2011-09-05 at 10:31 |
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