Some CRUS stats - Page 4

vmod · 2011-02-17, 23:35

Well, I had for some time the idea that the next major enhancement of the stats page would be somehow incorporating reservation info. The way I thought to implement it, which is in the making now, is with a "reservation status via tooltip" feature (i.e when hovering the mouse over a base number a tooltip will inform if it is Reserved or Available). So if someone spots an interesting base they will immediately know if someone else is testing it or it is free.

That being said, a dedicated reservations table like in the posts above is a different approach and independent. It could easily co-exist and be another source relaying reservation information.

mdettweiler · 2011-02-18, 00:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by vmod

Well, I had for some time the idea that the next major enhancement of the stats page would be somehow incorporating reservation info. The way I thought to implement it, which is in the making now, is with a "reservation status via tooltip" feature (i.e when hovering the mouse over a base number a tooltip will inform if it is Reserved or Available). So if someone spots an interesting base they will immediately know if someone else is testing it or it is free.

That being said, a dedicated reservations table like in the posts above is a different approach and independent. It could easily co-exist and be another source relaying reservation information.

What about another script that keeps a list of active reservations, dynamically generated based on the web pages? That would eliminate the need for Gary to keep yet another thread updated whenever a reservation is made or updated. (Might be a little tricky to deal with the bases that have their own pages, but probably doable nonetheless.)

rogue · 2011-02-18, 02:07

I like have a single list (or two as above) without having to refer to multiple links to get the information. Including the date makes it easier to determine which users might need to be prompted for an update.

mdettweiler · 2011-02-18, 02:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by rogue

I like have a single list (or two as above) without having to refer to multiple links to get the information. Including the date makes it easier to determine which users might need to be prompted for an update.

That's what I'm thinking...a script should be able to cull all that information from the respective reservations page and put it in a nicely formatted table with columns for base, lowest test limit, who has it reserved, when it was last updated, etc.

gd_barnes · 2011-02-18, 08:23

Or I could redesign the web pages to have all of the reservations show on the main reservations page. I've been mulling this over for quite a while.

If you all were paying very close attention a couple of weeks ago, you may have noticed that I made a wholesale change to remove the list of every k for all bases with <= 25 k's remaining on the main reservations page showing (available) and just made the reservations show (all k's) or (other k's) and (available) or who it was reserved by. See several base 2's for the best examples. It's much easier to maintain now and easier on the eyes too. I didn't mention it because it wouldn't affect any script and was otherwise seamless to everyone. That was kind of a precursor to a redesign to get the reservations off of the "base" reservations pages and just use those pages for k's remaining only. The tricky ones will be bases like 16, 25, and 36 with lots of different search limits and people/projects with reservations on them. I still need to think it through a little bit.

My suggestion: Don't create anything automated for reservations yet. Even though there's not an easily accessible comprehensive list, if you like a base and it has > 25 k's remaining, it's still just an extra click to find out if it is reserved.

I would not be willing to manually update reservations in 2 different places. Right now, here is what Ian and maintain: (1) The web pages, (2) the proven/1k/2k/3k remaining lists, (3) the 1k remaining lists, (4) the recommended list, (5) the bases remaining lists (6) status updates on drives. Sometimes when updating the web pages, I'll need to update one or more of those lists also and it's difficult keeping everything synced up.

Gary

Mathew · 2011-03-06, 14:42

The script is having issues at the
Top-20 conjectures tested to at least n=100K by highest CK and below
It appears to be only on the Sierpinski side.

gd_barnes · 2011-03-11, 07:48

It appears that there are heading problems in the CRUS stats and progress page. All of the tables below "Top-20 conjectures tested to at least n=100K by highest CK" have the problem.

Edit: I just realized that I repeated what Mathew noticed. Vmod, could you look into the problem? Thanks!

vmod · 2011-04-01, 02:30

Sorry, I didn't carry any of the script files with me while being away and had a major "oops" episode. I copied my password database on a flash drive but I forgot the associated key file so I couldn't open it at my destination (and trust me, not being able to login in this forum was the least of my worries). Anyway, I'll get to it asap and see what affected the page.

gd_barnes · 2011-05-24, 01:18

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Originally Posted by gd_barnes

Or I could redesign the web pages to have all of the reservations show on the main reservations page. I've been mulling this over for quite a while.

If you all were paying very close attention a couple of weeks ago, you may have noticed that I made a wholesale change to remove the list of every k for all bases with <= 25 k's remaining on the main reservations page showing (available) and just made the reservations show (all k's) or (other k's) and (available) or who it was reserved by. See several base 2's for the best examples. It's much easier to maintain now and easier on the eyes too. I didn't mention it because it wouldn't affect any script and was otherwise seamless to everyone. That was kind of a precursor to a redesign to get the reservations off of the "base" reservations pages and just use those pages for k's remaining only. The tricky ones will be bases like 16, 25, and 36 with lots of different search limits and people/projects with reservations on them. I still need to think it through a little bit.

My suggestion: Don't create anything automated for reservations yet. Even though there's not an easily accessible comprehensive list, if you like a base and it has > 25 k's remaining, it's still just an extra click to find out if it is reserved.

I would not be willing to manually update reservations in 2 different places. Right now, here is what Ian and maintain: (1) The web pages, (2) the proven/1k/2k/3k remaining lists, (3) the 1k remaining lists, (4) the recommended list, (5) the bases remaining lists (6) status updates on drives. Sometimes when updating the web pages, I'll need to update one or more of those lists also and it's difficult keeping everything synced up.

Gary

I'm in the process of doing a major overhaul of the reservations. When done, doing an automated reservations list should be much easier. I am doing it in 2 phases:

Phase 1:
1. Change the titles on the individual base reservations pages to just show "remain" and remove anything about reservations.
2. Show all reservations on the main reservations pages.

The benefit of phase 1 is obvious in that all reservations will be shown on one page. Also I am doing this phase so as to not affect the automated scripts here.

Phase 2:
1. Change the URL of the base reservations pages from a suffix of "-reserve" to "-remain".
2. Change the bases that have a box for each k to a more simple format without boxes. Examples are R25, S25, and R36.

On phase 2, #2, I have not decided how I'll show the reservations on the difficult bases shown that have reservations spread out over random k's. Reservations for ranges of k are simple like on base 3. Reservations for k's spread thoughout the base with many gaps in between are not easily shown without overloading the main reservations pages.

Since phase 1 will not affect the scripts, I will complete it all this evening in one setting. I will coordinate with the script writers before starting phase 2.

One moot point: I will not be updating the "last update" date on the base reservations pages since no search or reservation is being made with these changes.

Gary

gd_barnes · 2011-05-24, 09:26

I have completed phase 1 and #2 of phase 2 of the above effort. The change for #2 of phase 2 will likely affect the scripts. Please check the format for the new "remain" pages for R25, S25, and R36. There are a total of about 7 to 10 bases with "remain" pages like that now that have different search depths for varying k's. The way I formatted them, it should be fairly simple to modify the scripts to handle them.

The URLs have not changed. I'll wait until the scripts have been checked and/or modified for the above changes before changing the URLs.

The reservations are now a lot easier to pick out on all bases.

gd_barnes · 2011-05-31, 05:27

I have made another change to the main and reservations pages that should make it much easier for automated scripts to tell the minimum search depth for bases that have multiple search depths for various k's. On bases such as 2, 3, 25, etc., it now shows: XX k's remaining at n>=YYK. It should also make it a little easier for people visually looking around for bases to search.

The key is the ">=" symbol. The search depth after this symbol can be accurately used for inclusion on the CRUS stats in the automated scripts without having a lot of code to extract the info. out of the various base k's remain pages. This will allow more flexibility in how k's remaining and search depths are shown for the individual k's on those pages.

The only bases that now do not directly show a search depth on the main pages are both sides of base 5, which are the only bases with > 25 k's remaining that are not being worked on by CRUS at all.

Gary

2011-02-18, 08:23	#38
gd_barnes May 2007 Kansas; USA 101×103 Posts	Or I could redesign the web pages to have all of the reservations show on the main reservations page. I've been mulling this over for quite a while. If you all were paying very close attention a couple of weeks ago, you may have noticed that I made a wholesale change to remove the list of every k for all bases with <= 25 k's remaining on the main reservations page showing (available) and just made the reservations show (all k's) or (other k's) and (available) or who it was reserved by. See several base 2's for the best examples. It's much easier to maintain now and easier on the eyes too. I didn't mention it because it wouldn't affect any script and was otherwise seamless to everyone. That was kind of a precursor to a redesign to get the reservations off of the "base" reservations pages and just use those pages for k's remaining only. The tricky ones will be bases like 16, 25, and 36 with lots of different search limits and people/projects with reservations on them. I still need to think it through a little bit. My suggestion: Don't create anything automated for reservations yet. Even though there's not an easily accessible comprehensive list, if you like a base and it has > 25 k's remaining, it's still just an extra click to find out if it is reserved. I would not be willing to manually update reservations in 2 different places. Right now, here is what Ian and maintain: (1) The web pages, (2) the proven/1k/2k/3k remaining lists, (3) the 1k remaining lists, (4) the recommended list, (5) the bases remaining lists (6) status updates on drives. Sometimes when updating the web pages, I'll need to update one or more of those lists also and it's difficult keeping everything synced up. Gary Last fiddled with by gd_barnes on 2011-02-18 at 08:25

2011-03-11, 07:48	#40
gd_barnes May 2007 Kansas; USA 101·103 Posts	It appears that there are heading problems in the CRUS stats and progress page. All of the tables below "Top-20 conjectures tested to at least n=100K by highest CK" have the problem. Edit: I just realized that I repeated what Mathew noticed. Vmod, could you look into the problem? Thanks! Last fiddled with by gd_barnes on 2011-03-11 at 07:49 Reason: edit

2011-05-24, 09:26	#43
gd_barnes May 2007 Kansas; USA 101·103 Posts	I have completed phase 1 and #2 of phase 2 of the above effort. The change for #2 of phase 2 will likely affect the scripts. Please check the format for the new "remain" pages for R25, S25, and R36. There are a total of about 7 to 10 bases with "remain" pages like that now that have different search depths for varying k's. The way I formatted them, it should be fairly simple to modify the scripts to handle them. The URLs have not changed. I'll wait until the scripts have been checked and/or modified for the above changes before changing the URLs. The reservations are now a lot easier to pick out on all bases. Last fiddled with by gd_barnes on 2011-05-24 at 09:37

2011-05-31, 05:27	#44
gd_barnes May 2007 Kansas; USA 101×103 Posts	I have made another change to the main and reservations pages that should make it much easier for automated scripts to tell the minimum search depth for bases that have multiple search depths for various k's. On bases such as 2, 3, 25, etc., it now shows: XX k's remaining at n>=YYK. It should also make it a little easier for people visually looking around for bases to search. The key is the ">=" symbol. The search depth after this symbol can be accurately used for inclusion on the CRUS stats in the automated scripts without having a lot of code to extract the info. out of the various base k's remain pages. This will allow more flexibility in how k's remaining and search depths are shown for the individual k's on those pages. The only bases that now do not directly show a search depth on the main pages are both sides of base 5, which are the only bases with > 25 k's remaining that are not being worked on by CRUS at all. Gary Last fiddled with by gd_barnes on 2011-05-31 at 05:29

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2011-02-17, 23:35	#34
vmod Mar 2010 Hampshire, UK 3·17 Posts	Well, I had for some time the idea that the next major enhancement of the stats page would be somehow incorporating reservation info. The way I thought to implement it, which is in the making now, is with a "reservation status via tooltip" feature (i.e when hovering the mouse over a base number a tooltip will inform if it is Reserved or Available). So if someone spots an interesting base they will immediately know if someone else is testing it or it is free. That being said, a dedicated reservations table like in the posts above is a different approach and independent. It could easily co-exist and be another source relaying reservation information.

2011-02-18, 02:07	#36
rogue "Mark" Apr 2003 Between here and the 2⁴·397 Posts	I like have a single list (or two as above) without having to refer to multiple links to get the information. Including the date makes it easier to determine which users might need to be prompted for an update.

2011-03-06, 14:42	#39
Mathew Nov 2009 536₈ Posts	The script is having issues at the Top-20 conjectures tested to at least n=100K by highest CK and below It appears to be only on the Sierpinski side.

2011-04-01, 02:30	#41
vmod Mar 2010 Hampshire, UK 3×17 Posts	Sorry, I didn't carry any of the script files with me while being away and had a major "oops" episode. I copied my password database on a flash drive but I forgot the associated key file so I couldn't open it at my destination (and trust me, not being able to login in this forum was the least of my worries). Anyway, I'll get to it asap and see what affected the page.