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opyrt · 2009-02-21, 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by ltd

News from our extra DC run. No prime so far but it is good that we redue the ranges. Specialy the results from one of the users are worse then I expected. There are between 20-30% errors from this machine!!!!

20-30% is alot. This is one of the reasons I would like to see our second pass n closer to the first pass n. Then we could have found this while the user was actually crunching and told him/her that something was wrong.
Depending on a few things, I might be able to focus more on second pass this year. :-)

A possibly silly question that might already have been answered: What happens if I get a WU from the second pass server which contains a kn-pair that I was the one who crunched when it was first pass? Is it valid or discarded?

Also: Thank you for keeping us updated! I really appreciate your reports on how things are going "behind the scenes". :-)

ltd · 2009-02-21, 17:02

Your result is valid if you received it from the second pass server.

ltd · 2009-03-03, 17:27

DC server is handing out k=168451 work again.
Here some preliminary results from our special run with around 20 results still open.

We had to do 272 suspicious tests.
From these tests 76 gave wrong results.
So far I ran a third test for 37 of these tests and every time the DC result was the correct one.

Thanks to everybody for helping.
By the way at the moment we have to run another 1900 tests before we catch up with first pass testing. That does not include VJS manual reservation.

ltd · 2009-03-30, 15:27

Another update:

We are still removing candidates faster then new ones are created.
When you look here:
http://www.psp-project.de/llrnetstatsdc.php
and see that the number of pairs in work queue stays below 1400 that means that there are no candidates left to fill the queue anymore.

Second thing. I am not contributing to the llrnet DC effort at the moment due to the fact that I am doing some tests on a suspicious account. It produced an error rate of around 10%. As I also need some work for my offline clients I decided to do all the work on my own and not to feed the tests into the normal queue.

opyrt · 2009-03-31, 09:34

Thanks for the update.

I'll take a break from double checking now. Will be back later. :-)

VJS · 2009-04-01, 00:58

arrgh...

just when we were holding gound

we would really like to get this to within a few hundred tests.

I understand that other things take precedence at times so I thank you very much for your help.

Personally still cruching away at the DC que and a couple other 100 results offline.

opyrt · 2009-04-01, 14:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by VJS

arrgh...

just when we were holding gound

we would really like to get this to within a few hundred tests.

I understand that other things take precedence at times so I thank you very much for your help.

Personally still cruching away at the DC que and a couple other 100 results offline.

I'll try to explain...

The reason I first started participating in this project was only to give my team a boost on the DC-Vault ladder. The only credits that count towards DC-Vault are first pass credits.

Then I started to find this project interresting, so I decided to help the project with doing second pass. But I also really want to find a prime, so I will probably be on and off second pass in the future. I will be running only FP when I'm feeling greedy, and throw some cores on SP when I'm feeling guilty for not helping out... ;-)

However... I will be back on SP, I promise. :-)

VJS · 2009-04-03, 04:50

I know and thanks.

There was some discussion in the past about vaulting secondpass...

I think a few questions needed to be answered.

One was will the points ever be combined and I think the answer to this is a strong NO.

The others were stats related but I think everything is now the same for first and secondpass.

Anyways vaulting might give secondpass a good push.

In any case thanks and don't feel guilty I appreciated all your help, just a little lonely here... LOL http://www.psp-project.de/llrnetstatsdc.php

opyrt · 2009-04-03, 08:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by VJS

One was will the points ever be combined and I think the answer to this is a strong NO.

Why is that? :-)

They seem to be using the same score calculation, and there can never be too much focus on second pass as the only thing that will happen is that the queue empties (for the k we are checking) and people will have to make sure to switch to FP.

The only reason I go for a strong NO is that I think ARS will regain the first position... ;-)

Edit: I don't mean that these statistics should not exist by themselves. I was thinking that there is one for FP, one for SP and one combined.

VJS · 2009-04-05, 14:58

I can't remeber the exact reason but if they were going to be combined why are they not currently combined.

Perhaps we could have someone make a decision for the project and we will stick with that.

Although I do like your suggestion of a combined score... keeping track of # of tests seperate yet a total score (points) reported in one place.

I think this is something Lars and the mods should come up with.

ltd · 2009-04-05, 22:28

Hi,

there are three reasons why there are no combined stats at the moment.

1. I have to create some query that combines the stats from the different data sources or write a script that does it and I have no good idea.
2. When I asked if there is interest to have combined stats there was no positive reaction. (two or three years ago)
3. I am lazy.

2009-03-30, 15:27	#26
ltd Apr 2003 2²·193 Posts	Another update: We are still removing candidates faster then new ones are created. When you look here: http://www.psp-project.de/llrnetstatsdc.php and see that the number of pairs in work queue stays below 1400 that means that there are no candidates left to fill the queue anymore. Second thing. I am not contributing to the llrnet DC effort at the moment due to the fact that I am doing some tests on a suspicious account. It produced an error rate of around 10%. As I also need some work for my offline clients I decided to do all the work on my own and not to feed the tests into the normal queue. Last fiddled with by ltd on 2009-03-30 at 21:54

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2009-02-21, 17:02	#24
ltd Apr 2003 2²·193 Posts	Your result is valid if you received it from the second pass server.

2009-03-03, 17:27	#25
ltd Apr 2003 1404₈ Posts	DC server is handing out k=168451 work again. Here some preliminary results from our special run with around 20 results still open. We had to do 272 suspicious tests. From these tests 76 gave wrong results. So far I ran a third test for 37 of these tests and every time the DC result was the correct one. Thanks to everybody for helping. By the way at the moment we have to run another 1900 tests before we catch up with first pass testing. That does not include VJS manual reservation.

2009-03-31, 09:34	#27
opyrt Apr 2008 Oslo, Norway 7×31 Posts	Thanks for the update. I'll take a break from double checking now. Will be back later. :-)

2009-04-01, 00:58	#28
VJS Dec 2004 453₈ Posts	arrgh... just when we were holding gound we would really like to get this to within a few hundred tests. I understand that other things take precedence at times so I thank you very much for your help. Personally still cruching away at the DC que and a couple other 100 results offline.

2009-04-03, 04:50	#30
VJS Dec 2004 13·23 Posts	I know and thanks. There was some discussion in the past about vaulting secondpass... I think a few questions needed to be answered. One was will the points ever be combined and I think the answer to this is a strong NO. The others were stats related but I think everything is now the same for first and secondpass. Anyways vaulting might give secondpass a good push. In any case thanks and don't feel guilty I appreciated all your help, just a little lonely here... LOL http://www.psp-project.de/llrnetstatsdc.php

2009-04-05, 14:58	#32
VJS Dec 2004 453₈ Posts	I can't remeber the exact reason but if they were going to be combined why are they not currently combined. Perhaps we could have someone make a decision for the project and we will stick with that. Although I do like your suggestion of a combined score... keeping track of # of tests seperate yet a total score (points) reported in one place. I think this is something Lars and the mods should come up with.

2009-04-05, 22:28	#33
ltd Apr 2003 2²×193 Posts	Hi, there are three reasons why there are no combined stats at the moment. 1. I have to create some query that combines the stats from the different data sources or write a script that does it and I have no good idea. 2. When I asked if there is interest to have combined stats there was no positive reaction. (two or three years ago) 3. I am lazy.