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Old 2003-09-16, 19:56   #1
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Puzzle by hyh1048576:
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Another puzzle about Fibonacci numbers(quite easy but interesting):
S=arccot(F(1))+arccot(F(3))+arccot(F(5))+arccot(F(
7))+......
Then S=? :?
Even a monkey can get the answer(using a calculator :) ).But prove it is more interesting.

Can anyone prove that S=Pi/2?
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Old 2003-09-19, 18:17   #2
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Interesting in a way.

This brings up an unusual question. Pi is related to the distribution of prime numbers. The speed of light is related to the value of Pi.

What is the relationship of the speed of light to the distribution of prime numbers?

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Old 2005-11-19, 17:37   #3
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Interesting question c00ler and an interesting answer fusion power.
I understand what is implied in both question and answer provided both statements are correctly stated. Asfaik both are wrong.
No infinite series can give a correct value to pi. At most an approximation.
The speed of light is not related to pi as far as I know.
Ill try to prove the question or try to disprove it as a close appx,
If the speed of light is related to pi Ill br happy to learn about it
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Old 2005-11-19, 19:02   #4
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Originally Posted by Fusion_power
Interesting in a way.

This brings up an unusual question. Pi is related to the distribution of prime numbers. The speed of light is related to the value of Pi.

What is the relationship of the speed of light to the distribution of prime numbers?

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Very little.

pi is a dimensionless quantity.

The speed of light has dimension length/time.

At first sight, the two are incommensurable. However, from the point of view of relativity (special and general) space-time is a four-dimensional manifold and the speed of light is but a scaling factor. In this view, metres/second is no more interesting than kilometres/mile or seconds/year.

So, from the point of view of relativity, the speed of light and pi are both dimensionless constants. There is a relationship for you.

I will be interested to hear of any relationship which, from the relativistic point of view, is other than as a scaling factor between two quantities measured in different but commensural units.

(To indicate that I'm aware of at least one more relationship between commensural units (more than one, in fact), I will utter the magic word \epsilon_0.)

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Old 2005-11-19, 19:14   #5
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Could some one give an example of arcot?

What is arcot?

I understand that S=f(1)+f(3)+...+f(n). Is S=pi/2?

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Old 2005-11-19, 20:12   #6
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Citrix,
Arccot (with two c's) is the inverse cotangent.

Go here for more info:

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/InverseCotangent.html
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Old 2005-11-19, 20:49   #7
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Isn't 1/tan X=cot X?
Then isn't arccot X=tanX?

Am I correct?

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Old 2005-11-20, 00:01   #8
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Am I correct?
Yes, and no, respectively.


In the first case, cotangent is the reciprocal of tangent.
However, arctangent is the inverse of tangent.

cot(x)*tan(x) =1
arctan(tan(x))=x

Using a simpler to understand function as an example:

x=1/(x^-1)
and
(x^(-n))^n = x
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Old 2005-11-20, 03:12   #9
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Thankyou, My trignometery is rusty. Several years since I have needed to use it.

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Old 2005-11-20, 17:23   #10
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Yes, and no, respectively.


In the first case, cotangent is the reciprocal of tangent.
However, arctangent is the inverse of tangent.

cot(x)*tan(x) =1
arctan(tan(x))=x

Using a simpler to understand function as an example:

x=1/(x^-1)
and
(x^(-n))^n = x
Arctan (tan(x)) = x is confusing.

We know that tan 45* = 1
For the reverse process Arc tan (1) =45*
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Old 2005-11-22, 00:23   #11
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Mally ,

I presume you meant:
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Originally Posted by mfgoode
No
finite truncation of an
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infinite series can give a correct value to pi. At most an approximation.
, so that when you later wrote
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Ill try to prove the question or try to disprove it as a close appx,
, you meant

"... or try to disprove it as a finite truncation of some infinite series,"


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