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Old 2007-07-02, 21:55   #1
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Default 4D-Volume of a 4D-Sphere

I saw this sequence problem on a "high IQ" test on the net:

1, 2r, pi r2, 4pi r3/3, ___

So what IS the next term?

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Old 2007-07-02, 22:48   #2
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If Wikipedia is to be believed (and if I'm interpreting it correctly), \begin{matrix} \frac{1}{2} \end{matrix} \pi^2 r^4 is the hypervolume of a 3-sphere (aka 4D-Sphere).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-sphere
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Old 2007-07-02, 22:49   #3
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Using multiple integration I found the same result that is shown at [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphere[/url] about 20 years ago.
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Old 2007-07-02, 23:26   #4
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One can easily generalize the n-dimensional integration to derive a simple pair of formulae for all the odd and even-dimensional sphere volumes, respectively.
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Old 2007-07-03, 07:46   #5
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http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Hypersphere.html
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Old 2007-07-03, 12:18   #6
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I did this ~30 years ago, and am scratching my head to
remember the jist of it.
V(n,r^2) means nVolume of ndimensional sphere radius r
Something like:
dV(n,r^2)=2*pi*r*V(n-2,R^2-r^2)dr
Turning the handle relates V(N,R) to V(N-2,R)

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Old 2007-07-03, 16:17   #7
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Cool 30 years ago !

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I did this ~30 years ago, and am scratching my head to
remember the jist of it.
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If scratching your head wont help you remember, try something else

Why should x_1^2 +x_2^2 + x_3^2+ x_4^2 =R^2?.

I say that the geometry will change!

If the formula is true for n=3 it does not mean it will be true for n=4,5,6..... Its like saying x^2 + y^2 =z^2 is true but that does not mean that x^3 +y^3 = z^3 for integers.

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Old 2007-07-03, 16:51   #8
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The hypersphere of n dimensions is expressed by:

(x1-X1)2 + (x2-X2)2 + ... + (xn-Xn)2 = R2

This is because it is defined as the set of points whose distance to the point (X1, X2, ..., Xn) is R.

For example, suppose that n=4 and the central point is (0, 0, 0, 0) so we get:

x12 + x22 + x32 + x42 = R2

If x4 = 0 you should have the projection of the hypersphere on the standard 3-dimensional space, i.e. a sphere.

Replacing you get the formula for the standard sphere:

x12 + x22 + x32 = R2

If you use other exponents as you talked about in another thread this would not work.

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Old 2007-07-03, 22:47   #9
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If scratching your head wont help you remember, try something else

Why should x_1^2 +x_2^2 + x_3^2+ x_4^2 =R^2?.

Mally
Because of your friend Pythagoras?

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Old 2007-07-04, 16:02   #10
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Post multigrades!

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Because of your friend Pythagoras?

Perhaps: Py. only dealt with triplets and these were not for any integers but certain ones.

Here we are dealing with multigrades (that's what J.S. Madachy calls them) like 3^3 +4^3 +5^3 = 6^3 or
1^3 + 6^3 + 8^3 =9^3 but for the exponent 2 which are exceptions to the general rule.

However as long as we have the right angled triangle the formula given holds.
I have to concede that!

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Old 2007-07-04, 17:20   #11
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A hypersphere of n dimensions … is defined as the set of points …
equidistant from the center.

This is the point that some are missing. When expressed in Cartesian coordinates, the second power is strictly a result of the distance metric. Anything else is a "red herring".
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